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Old 04-18-2012, 07:28 PM   #31
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Well.... I don't like to toot my own horn.... but if you guys want to do it for me.... then proceed

You are more than welcome. Just glad I could provide some information since I get so much information from the site.

p.s. Page 8 is the page with the information you were looking for.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:39 PM   #32
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I read through the latest REV "K" Dated 09/27/11, Installation Instructions, and compared it to the REV "H" Dated 07/30/10....., found the following differences:

* REV "K" in a couple line items added some minor "set-up" text.

* Figure "5" was cleaned up a little.

* REV "K" added an entire page devoted to the snap-up bracket titled: "Installation Instructions, Snap Up Bracket". In REV "H" there wasn't any reference to the snap-up bracket.

I have a couple of comments in respect to the new "Installation Instructions, Snap UP Bracket" page added to the REV "K", Installation Instructions for the Reese Dual Cam:

* Based on Reese's statement referencing Jayco ball couplers mounted to the bottom of the A-frame, the new Snap Up Bracket document is directed at Jayco products only. BUT, Jayco isn't the only RV manufacture with ball couplers mounted on the bottom, so it looks like I have to contact Reese for additional clarification.

* The snap-up bracket shown in the Reese referenced photo is a standard snap-up bracket, not the heavy duty version. Does this make a difference? Again, a question for Reese.

* Reese refers to the "installation of an additional bolt into the snap up bracket", but they only refer to drilling for one self tapper. The word "additional" is a little misleading. Question for Reese.

* Interesting that Reese isn't using the two lower existing holes on the snap up bracket for the bolt....., they must feel it's more effective locating the added bolt closer to the top of the TT A-frame. Question for Reese

* No where within the text is "tongue weight" mentioned. Why isn't tongue weight a variable? Question for Reese.

I plan to contact Reese Tech Support with my questions and will report back with their comments.

Bob
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:41 AM   #33
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I contacted Reese today and spoke with a technical support Representative in respect to my initial questions, please note the following:

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* Based on Reese's statement referencing Jayco ball couplers mounted to the bottom of the A-frame, the new Snap Up Bracket document is directed at Jayco products only. BUT, Jayco isn't the only RV manufacture with ball couplers mounted on the bottom,
Reese incorporated the snap-up bracket installation requirement (bolt-on) based on feedback from Jayco customers utilizing the HP Dual Cam. Reese stated that if another RV manufacture has a similar A-frame ball coupler set-up they would recommend the snap-up bracket be bolted as well. Reese didn't have any data to-date that would suggest that the height of the steel tube frame would make a difference in their recommendation (5", 6", etc.).

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* The snap-up bracket shown in the Reese referenced photo is a standard snap-up bracket, not the heavy duty version. Does this make a difference?
Reese stated it doesn't make a difference between the standard or heavy duty snap-up bracket, both are to be bolted.

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* Reese refers to the "installation of an additional bolt into the snap up bracket", but they only refer to drilling for one self tapper. The word "additional" is a little misleading.
Reese stated that only one (1) bolt is required for the snap-up bracket located per the instructions.

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* Interesting that Reese isn't using the two lower existing holes on the snap up bracket for the bolt....., they must feel it's more effective locating the added bolt closer to the top of the TT A-frame.
Locating the bolt closer to the top of the frame is more effective.

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* No where within the text is "tongue weight" mentioned. Why isn't tongue weight a variable?
Reese stated that the weight of the TT tongue didn't influence their findings based on the feedback from their Jayco customers.

IMO, based on my conversation with the Reese Representative the added snap-up bracket document incorporated within the REV "K" Installation Instructions that references only Jayco products is still work in progress. In fairness, I don't believe the Reese Representative I spoke to was aware of the actual engineering data/variables behind the added snap-up document.

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Old 04-20-2012, 10:52 AM   #34
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Good info... thanks for posting it. It does sound a little confusing still. Since I haven't taken the time to go through those Rev K instructions yet, I will hold off until I do. Still busy as a one-armed paper-hanger.
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Old 04-20-2012, 01:32 PM   #35
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snip........It does sound a little confusing still.....snip
Mike,

I agree. The particular representative I spoke with wouldn't provide (or just didn't know) me with any real information that I could walk away with feeling "now I understand".

One thing I did get out of the conversation was that Reese should clearly identify within their document the particular "A-frame Construction" in question that requires the snap-up bracket to be bolted, not single out Jayco, because other RV manufactures also have tube style A-frames.

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Old 04-20-2012, 02:45 PM   #36
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Bob, I see where no tongue weight is specified. Are they saying all Jayco trailers should have the snap up bracket bolted, including for example my Jayflight? Sorry if I missed something as I have not read through the whole thread yet.
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[QUOTE=Crabman;73286]snip...... Are they saying all Jayco trailers should have the snap up bracket bolted, including for example my Jayflight? .....snipQUOTE]
Lee,

Yep, that's what they are saying when you have a ball coupler welded to the "bottom" of the A-frame......, top welded ball couplers do not require the bolted snap-up bracket, but I know a couple guys with 1,200lb TT tongue weights that would disagree!

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snip...... Are they saying all Jayco trailers should have the snap up bracket bolted, including for example my Jayflight? .....snipQUOTE]
Lee,

Yep, that's what they are saying when you have a ball coupler welded to the "bottom" of the A-frame......, top welded ball couplers do not require the bolted snap-up bracket, but I know a couple guys with 1,200lb TT tongue weights that would disagree!

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Well my ball coupler is welded to the top of the A frame, so I guess I`m off the hook for the bolts... I`ve not yet had a snap up bracket move on me.
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