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Old 12-03-2011, 06:59 PM   #1
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VHS to DVD Converters..??

Ok, I have a bunch of old VHS format videos that need to be converted to DVD, and thought this would be a good winter project.

Since it appears that my PC Radeon HIS 4670 graphics board doesn't have video capture capability, I started looking at the other options out there. I nixed the idea of adding another card to my PC (cost, etc.).., so here is where I landed: http://vhs-to-dvd-converters-review.toptenreviews.com/

Has anyone used any of the products shown/similar in the review?

Any feedback on the subject would be welcome.

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Interestingly enough I thought about something similar yesterday. I don't really have an answer for you, just piggybacking on your thread. I have a lot of old 8mm home movies i wanted to convert to a DVD as well. Wondered how to go about it. I'll follow your thread replies and might find some answers for myself.
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I got a Roxio kit from Costco last year... even supposed to create 3D... but have been too busy to use it so far...
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I have 45-50 VCR tapes of the kids growing up and now 75-80 VHS Camcorder tapes of the grandkids to convert...one of these days. Of course whatever product I buy, I hope it has an edit device as it would be impossible and impracticle to try to DVD all of them.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:24 AM   #5
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Bob, I can tell you that the burning process can take FORRREEVVERR....figure about 2 hrs run time for evey 45mins of DVD movie run time just for burning. The upload process is fairly quick on the VHS upload with real time upload vs playback. 1 min play to 1 min upload being that the files are not electronic. I have made a few DVD using the Roxio program loaded in my wifes new HP PC. You can blend new and old formats and use the movie maker to edit and blend videos. One thing I miss with the new version of video recordings is the stop and start that you used to get with Hi8 or VHS which would play as continous piece regardless of how many times you stop and start it. The new types you need to do with the movie programs since every time you press the stop and start button you create a new file.

My point here is that you need to have a tremendous amount of down time on your PC just to create a DVD so your JOF time would take a hit .

There are a few free programs out there you might be able to find. Try Cnet for starters as a safe site. I had to upload a conversion file for my FLIP in order to burn the files on Roxio. Also I use firewire on my Hi8 to upload to the PC. PC needs to have the jack. Of course you will need a DVD burner if you don't have.
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Here is a link for the one I have ... I think you can look see if it does what you want
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Also keep in mind that the video quality of a VHS movie is not as good as a DVD movie so the quality may not be acceptable. You might be better off to trade your tapes in on used DVDs of the same titles.
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3'senough,

Thanks for the feedback.

I had heard about the "foreever" time it takes to produce DVD from a VHS tape, and the "bunch" of VHS tapes I have that is actually worth converting only amounts to six, but still will take a little time.

My desktop PC has a DVD burner, and have burned CD's and some DVD+R video/music clips I made using Windows Movie Maker (utilizing some travel photos)....., still learning. I found that my Sony DVD player won't play the DVD I burned, but my PC can play it...., I think (?) it may have something to do with the fact that the DVD has photos on it and the Sony unit can't read it (still looking into this issue).

There seems to be a fair amount of users of the Diamond and Roxio products, so I may start looking more closely at those products. I did read somewhere that some folks did have some minor software issues with the Roxio Easy product.

Sounds like my first few attempts will be a little trial and error once I get a converter product.

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Depending on the age of the DVD player could also be a determining factor in playback. There are some thrid party companies that do the conversion for you that might be worth the money spent. Like LF said quality is something that you cannot upgrade, but having an up to date format can help preserve the films that could deteriorate over time.

For playback you might try a different format when you burn it. Forgive me as I have not burned something in a while, so it's not coming to quick mind, but there should be a format or two for you to choose when buring. If I remember corectly the Windows based movie maker will not support a regular DVD format that works well on DVD players which is why I used Roxio.

If you know someone with a Blu-ray or very new upconverting DVD player try it in there. Maybe even a Best buy for a quick look.

You'll need some seriuos memory space too. At least a G to save the movie once it's formated before the burn. It's worse than watching paint dry.

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Depending on the age of the DVD player could also be a determining factor in playback. ........snip
3senough,

I tend to agree that's it's my 8 year old Sony CD/DVD player, even though it was considered a high-end unit in it's day. I confirmed that the player region codes matched (it plays all anyways), it's compatible for both DVD-R & DVD+R discs, but it appears that my particular model Sony has a sensitive copyright protection system.... and that includes "NO" home burnt DVD's (I even tried a burned CD-R, same results).

Plan to check my burned DVD's with another DVD player tomorrow.

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snip...... You might be better off to trade your tapes in on used DVDs of the same titles.
Unfortunately in my case the VHS tapes are home movies.

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3'senough,

Just a little update.

I was finally was able to get my Windows Movie Maker video clip format converted so that it would run in the newer NTCS formatted DVD players (worked on a newer unit, still won't run in my old Sony unit).

I downloaded the following free Video Format Converter that resolved my burned DVD disc play issue (worked great): http://download.cnet.com/Any-Video-C...ml?tag=mncol;1

On the subject of converting my VHS to DVD's, I borrowed a VHS to DVD converter (stand alone unit) from my brother in-law, but have yet to try it.

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Glad to hear you are having some luck. I think that is the same program for conversion that I used for my Flip conversions. Works fast and effectively.

The stand alones work, but also take very long to convert and burn. Problem with the VHS is that it is real time upload. Have to played and uploaded at the same time.

My camcorder had a fire wire plug in the side which my wife's laptop also had to make the upload from my tapes into the computer for electronic files.

Check your unit for any USB type plugs that you might be able to use for this to upload them to the computer. My unit was a Sony hi8 with a digital camera. Depending on age of the unit it may not have something like that.

Though you mentioned earlier about the video capture not being in your PC. I wonder if you get the right hookup that it might work for you?
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VHS to DVD Update:

Well, as mentioned in a prior post I borrowed a Samsung VR-330 (VHS/DVD Recorder), should know in a couple of hours if the VHS to DVD transfer worked

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Well it worked..... for the most part.

I thought the DVD disc would have enough space to accept all the data on the VHS tape, but it didn't. So I "finalized" the DVD disc, then played the disc confirming that the transfer did work .

Now, when I went to "initialize" a second unused DVD for the remainder of the VHS tape data transfer, the Samsung wouldn't initialize the DVD, tried two other new unused DVD's....same problem.

Until the "initialization" of the disc is complete, data can't be transfered.

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Be sure to keep the originals. Anything burned at home (cd, dvd...) will not last as long as a professional copy. I know this from experience.
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snip...... Anything burned at home (cd, dvd...) will not last as long as a professional copy. I know this from experience.
Just curious, what is done differently between and home burned and professionally burned DVD (VHS to DVD) that would impact longevity?

I only want to go through this process once

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Just curious, what is done differently between and home burned and professionally burned DVD (VHS to DVD) that would impact longevity?

I only want to go through this process once

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How's the conversion process coming? Can I uncross my fingers now?

Commercial CDs and DVDs aren't burned; they are pressed. When a CD is burned, a laser beam alters a dye layer in the disk. That dye layer will degrade over time, the length of which depends on the quality of the disk. Commercial disks don't use a dye layer. The data is embossed into the disk. That is why they will last pretty much forever.

Almost all electronic media is highly volatile. In addition to physical damage and degradation, media types eventually become obsolete. While I feel digital data storage is by far the most practical, one must take precautions to protect that media.

I personally would have converted the VHS tapes to video files instead of burning to DVD but I can also understand the convenience of DVDs. You need to back up your DVDs to video files stored on hard drives, such as one in your computer and external ones. Since even backups can be damaged or stolen, it is vital to have multiple backups, both local and offsite. I'm using an external hard drive at home for one backup and I'm also using a cloud backup service (Carbonite). For $55/yr, it automatically encrypts and uploads my data on my computer starting almost immediately after it is generated (Mozy is pretty much the same for $60/yr). By using a cloud backup, if my home burns down or my computer and external hard drive are stolen, my data (and I have one heckuva lot of it) can be recovered from the cloud backup.
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How's the conversion process coming? Can I uncross my fingers now?.....snip
As mentioned in an earlier post, I did one successful VHS to DVD burn, but I can't get any of the other unused DVD+R disc's to "initialize". I also found out a few hours ago that this a common problem with the Samsung unit I'm using, doesn't recognize disc's that it should.

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snip.......Commercial CDs and DVDs aren't burned; they are pressed. When a CD is burned, a laser beam alters a dye layer in the disk. That dye layer will degrade over time, the length of which depends on the quality of the disk. Commercial disks don't use a dye layer. The data is embossed into the disk. That is why they will last pretty much forever.....snip.
I understand the process of "pressing" a DVD/CD within a mass production environment, but are you saying that if I hand over my VHS tapes to a professional they will "press" me a DVD rather than "burn" me a DVD copy of the VHS data?


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