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Old 12-17-2014, 06:55 AM   #1
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1/2 ton towing fact or fiction

for those interested, on trailerlife.com they just ran this article. no new news here but interesting nonetheless. they did the article based on a 1/2 ton towable fifth wheel and a new chevy 1/2 ton.
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http://www.trailerlife.com/trailer-h...ct-or-fiction/

This one I assume
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Now these new F150's will tow a 5th wheel, without a doubt. Not a huge one, but a maximum payload of 3300lbs! On a 1/2 ton? Wow.
http://www.trailerlife.com/reviews/f...kups-revealed/
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yes NHcamper that is the article. thanks!
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Fiction. The F150 with 3300lbs for payload is a stripped down XL 2wd regular cab 8' bed. Who buys that? Fleet buyers. Buy the time you get an F150 in a popular trim level, that 3300lbs will be around 14-1800lbs for MaxTow and 21-2400lbs for the Heavy Duty payload version. Total media hype. Might as well buy an F250, it'll cost the same by the time you option out the F150 and add MaxTow and the Heavy Duty payload packages.
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Fiction. The F150 with 3300lbs for payload is a stripped down XL 2wd regular cab 8' bed. Who buys that? Fleet buyers. Buy the time you get an F150 in a popular trim level, that 3300lbs will be around 14-1800lbs for MaxTow and 21-2400lbs for the Heavy Duty payload version. Total media hype. Might as well buy an F250, it'll cost the same by the time you option out the F150 and add MaxTow and the Heavy Duty payload packages.
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I read the article, it was a good read.

But even 21-2400 is very respectable for a "1/2 ton". Still, personally, I'm going to just skip all the marketing hype and go with a 3/4 ton when the time comes. The new base model RAM 2500s (Tradesman) are better equipped than my 2012 Sierra SLE.
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I have the mag subscription. TL tends to push it too far IMO. They constantly hitch up a trailer that puts a truck at it's limits. Then say it pulled it fine. "It's a Great combo". What they don't mention is no one tows a dry trailer. Most load 1000-1500lbs into their TT or 5er. When doing that it almost always puts the 1/2 ton over it's GVW.


With all that being said, the HD F150 is a heck of solid truck. And for those that can match it properly to a larger TT or small 5er(8500lb) it'll work great.
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Might as well buy an F250, it'll cost the same by the time you option out the F150 and add MaxTow and the Heavy Duty payload packages.
On the day of delivery, yes. How much more over a 5 year period will the F250 cost to keep it fueled? At $3 a gallon and 20k miles a year, that could be upwards of $7k difference (over $1000 a year!). Increase the difference at $4 a gal. And I think that's why a lot of people buy 1/2 ton class trucks, especially if they are used as a daily driver. If people don't "need" a 3/4 ton...
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If you order the HD F150 it only comes with the 3.73 gears so it won't get the mpg that a non HD 3.55 geared one will. From what I've read it's around 16 mpg average.
The F250 should return 13 mpg average.
Not that many people put 20k a year on their truck. 15,000 is more realistic as an average. Also if someones putting 15,000 on their truck as a DD then it's being driven on the freeway a bunch.
Figure 16 fpr the F250 and 19 for the F150. 3 mpg difference
15,000 miles @16mpg = 937.5gal. @$3.00=$2812.50 year.
15,000 miles @19mpg = 789.4gal. @#3.00=$2368.42 year.
2812.50
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= 444.08
444.08x5years =$2220.4
Not quite $7000.00
Even going with 20,000 a year it's only $2965.00 different. Not $7000.
Sure #3000 is a chunk of change, but figure what most guys add to their F150's to stiffen them up and some of that $3000 will be ate away.
The other fact is the comparison is about the HD F150 trucks and not the typical 7200GVW F150's that have low tow ratings along with low payload ratings. Those F150s are the ones that are usually running the 3.31 or 3.55 gears and return the 19/21 hwy mpg.
You're right about the mpg cost. But that's the pay to play factor when it comes to towing heavier.


If you go to Fuelly.com the spread is even closer. More like 1-1.5 difference. So that $444 would be closer to $180.00 or less. Not enough to really matter.
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You're making lots of assumptions on those mileage figures, as I am too, to some extent. It's easy for a lot of people to put on 20k a year. 15k is the average, that means over half put on more than 15k. I was going with 17 mpg in 1/2 ton, which is what I average with 3:73 gears and a 5.3 V8. And 12 mpg in a 3/4, which is what my friends with them tend to get. Driving style, ratio of city to hwy, these are huge factors in all this, and impossible to account for.

So realistically, depending on a lot of things, it could be as low as $3k, it could be as high as $7k. The buyer has to figure that out. Like you said, you can get a really nice trailer that's well within the limits of the F150 and be very happy.

I really don't know of anyone who's ever spent $3k stiffening up their suspension. A couple of hundred on a DIY project maybe.
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