2500 to F150?

[djglover7]

Originally Posted by borninblue

Yeah wouldn’t be for daily driver..would just buy a beater when my current daily driver dies. Always wanted a diesel for towing and have a dream of upgrading to a 5th wheel when I retire in 6 years.

I have two Silverados, 1500 and 2500 HD. Each has it's own towing domains. I commute with each (alternating) about 70 miles RT each day. My friends think I am crazy to commute with gas hog Silverados.

I then open up the ROI discussion with respect to buying a little commuter. I explain that it would take me 12-15 years to offset the commuter costs against fuel savings. Keep the old truck, keep it maintained. You will win economically, and, as many others have said, you need more truck than trailer.

[J2048b]

this has been my issue lately, sold a dmn near brand new ram 2500 megacab laramie because we sold the trailer, wife wanted a stupid rv...so now i kick myself in the ass everyday for selling a diesel that only had 24k on it in 3 yrs....

commute close to 100 miles rt every day, so we bought a tesla....hahah i know, and no im not a liberal...its super cheap to drive...

so now i told her i wanted another 2500 ram megacab, and she said no, not worth it...but no matter what i do, i cannot get past owning the diesel...especially the 2500 with airbags, laramie, and just set up, regardless if i tow a bunch or not...

trying to have people sway my opinion, maybe im looking at this the wrong way?

[RichCarter]

Originally Posted by borninblue

So I currently have a 2014 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 which I use to tow our 2016 32’ Jayco 27BHS. I have a Prius as a daily driver and my truck sits for the most part unless I’m towing or using it for projects or yard work. My car is on it’s last leg and was considering the possibility of trading in both vehicles and moving toward a 2021 hybrid F150 and also use it as a daily driver...

I had the same decision to make three years ago. I had a Ram that got 13.5MPG on a good day, 9MPG when towing a 5000 lb camper. I bought a small commuter car that was easier to park and got great mileage. Each vehicle you own is a PIA. More vehicles makes more pain. I traded the Dakota for my F150 3.5 V6 and found that the commuter car wasn't necessary. It towed so well that I got a bigger camper, 24RBS GVW 7700 lbs. The F150 tows that with no problem and gets 18.6MPG real world, 10MPG towing. I tow with just me and one passenger. I know the 2021 models have a bit more power and a bit more towing capacity. I don't know about the hybrids. My guess is the extra weight of all that stuff reduces payload.

My guess is that you would have no problem towing the weight of your 27BHS with a 3.5 V6 configured with a tow package. If you got one configured for max tow and max payload, your MPG will be a bit lower than what I get but your payload should have plenty of margin. Would you be happy with a bit less mileage than what I get?

I can't comment on towing performance with a longer camper than mine, 28' 8". I have a Super Crew Cab, 157" wheelbase. At high speed, 65MPH, I get a bit of wiggle back there but it's not a problem.

[Cavie]

Originally Posted by borninblue

So I currently have a 2014 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 which I use to tow our 2016 32’ Jayco 27BHS. I have a Prius as a daily driver and my truck sits for the most part unless I’m towing or using it for projects or yard work. My car is on it’s last leg and was considering the possibility of trading in both vehicles and moving toward a 2021 hybrid F150 and also use it as a daily driver. Do you think this would be safe considering the truck would be full, 2 adults and 2 teenagers. Obviously I’m concerned about payload. But from the specs maybe I could get away with a max tow package F150.....

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[jimmoore13]

I confess that I didn't read all the responses...I may repeat someone else.

You said the Prius is on its last legs. But you didn't report the condition of the Dodge. If it's largely idle, as you suggested, I'll assume it's in good condition with relatively low miles. My 2006 just turned 100,000 for the same reasons. It's likely to last me another 10 years.

Your "one vehicle" daily driver concept has only superficial merit. The F-150 hybrid is NOT going to substitute for the Prius in terms of economy as a commuter car.

If the Dodge is a good, reliable tow vehicle with lots of life left, I'd shop for another Prius or similar and keep the Dodge as a work truck and tow vehicle. Considering how well they hold their value, new makes a bit more sense than used. But a used Prius with 40,000 on the clock will easily last you another 100,000 miles or more, and the cost of operation will be a tiny fraction compared to the Ford hybrid truck...not to mention the hidden costs of being an early adopter on what amounts to new technology as applied to a 1/2 ton pickup. And then let's not forget about what so many mentioned...that 1/2 ton will be at or over its real world max capabilities towing your 8250# rig while also packed to the gills with humans and "stuff."

That's my 2 cents.

[2021JayFlight28BHS]

Just recently upgraded from an f150 with the max tow and 3.5, payload was around 1800, by the time you factor in tongue weight, people weight, other stuff you put in the bed, you at or over the payload…. I was within 100 with my 28bhs (similar size and weight to yours). Could the truck pull it, yes that engine out performs the 6.2 I ended up with, but was it safe, maybe…. But I can tell you for sure the rear end was too soft…. Lots of up and down…. And there was definitely some sway even with an equalizer e4 wdh setup properly.

Night and day diff with pulling camper in the F-250…. Less up and down in the rear, less sway, just all around firmer feel.

Like others said I’d stay with current truck if in good shape and trade up on the daily driver.

[Quantum]

If you're going to go with Ford, this is what I would consider...in no particular order.

F-150

Max tow is good, but you will need a HDPP (Heavy Duty Payload Package) truck. That will give you the payload you need. From what I've been reading on the forums, the Powerboost really eats into payload. Most are reporting around 1500lbs of payload on the yellow door sticker. Don't follow any of Ford's advertised tow ratings or payloads. If you can find or order an HDPP truck with max tow, you'd be pretty well setup for that trailer.

F-250

Unless you are planning to go with the gas 7.3L, I wouldn't consider the F-250. The payload of a well optioned F-250 with a diesel is not much more than an F-150, and probably less than a HDPP F-150. The diesel engine weighs in at 700lbs, so that really eats up the payload. If you're thinking 5'er down the road, I would think you're looking at pin weights starting around 2000lbs (dry pin weights are unrealistic). If you find a 5'er layout you like, look at the GVWR of the rig and count on 25% of that weight being on the pin.

F-350

This is where you want to be if you're thinking diesel and 5'er in 6 years. My dad's single rear wheel, very well optioned F-350 has 3400lbs of payload. Put 4 adults in there and you probably have 2500lbs of payload left. If that's not enough, get a dually.

[Bodaddy]

I’ve got a 2018 Nissan Titan XD 4x4 Crew Cab gas burner with a payload of 1980.lbs. It comes with a 100,000 mile factory bumper to bumper warranty. That’s why we bought it. A daily driver with all the amenities we want and it’s cheaper to operate than a 3/4 ton. Best warranty in the business. We haven’t had to use it yet and we’ve just turned 50k miles and I’ve still got a bumper to bumper warranty better than any other manufacturer. We only get about 16-18 on the hwy but that’sa different story. I’ve almost got the same hp and torque as a3/4 GM truck in my “5/8” ton truck.

[borninblue]

Originally Posted by Bodaddy

I’ve got a 2018 Nissan Titan XD 4x4 Crew Cab gas burner with a payload of 1980.lbs. It comes with a 100,000 mile factory bumper to bumper warranty. That’s why we bought it. A daily driver with all the amenities we want and it’s cheaper to operate than a 3/4 ton. Best warranty in the business. We haven’t had to use it yet and we’ve just turned 50k miles and I’ve still got a bumper to bumper warranty better than any other manufacturer. We only get about 16-18 on the hwy but that’sa different story. I’ve almost got the same hp and torque as a3/4 GM truck in my “5/8” ton truck.

Can’t thank you enough for pointing me towards this truck. I’m seriously taking a look, have to dig deeper into the towing numbers and see if it will work for our 2016 27BHS. Never knew Nissan made such a capable truck!

[madmaxmutt]

Originally Posted by borninblue

Good information thank you! Just assumed the 250 would have much more payload. I’ll be looking at the spec sheets.

I would shy away from spec sheets, as they only tell what is possible. Look at the truck door stickers. Every one is different. If you want more payload in a 150/250, you have to want less options. Every luxury they add, comes out of your payload.

[29BHS ECO]

Nissan is made by Dodge oops excuse me Ram. I tow a 28BHS with a '13 FI50 equipped just like yours and does a great job. I got out of an '99 F250 into the '13 and glad I did. Both the F150 & the TT weigh about 6k each loaded for camping and we feel very safe 60-65 MPH. I won't even talk about the performance of the 3.5EB compared to the very dependable but gutless 5.4

[BLTravels]

Originally Posted by borninblue

So I currently have a 2014 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 which I use to tow our 2016 32’ Jayco 27BHS. I have a Prius as a daily driver and my truck sits for the most part unless I’m towing or using it for projects or yard work. My car is on it’s last leg and was considering the possibility of trading in both vehicles and moving toward a 2021 hybrid F150 and also use it as a daily driver. Do you think this would be safe considering the truck would be full, 2 adults and 2 teenagers. Obviously I’m concerned about payload. But from the specs maybe I could get away with a max tow package F150.....

Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) View Definition 6065
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) View Definition 620
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) View Definition 8250
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) View Definition 2185

I did just the opposite and am very happy. I had an F150 Max everything with a 34' trailer. Did everything to it including the expensive ProPride hitch and just never felt comfortable although within all the numbers. Finally went to a '17 2500 6.4 and never knew the trailer was back there and had so much more confidence not living on the edge. This allowed me to change to a lighter FW and still very happy how they all perform. But yes, my truck also sits most of the time.

[01tundra]

Originally Posted by ttavasc

When I upgraded to the gas F-250 in early 2019 I did so partly based on the short 5 mile one-way commute I had at the time. That was supposed to be changing in 2020 to a longer (~18 miles one way I think) but far more congested commute - albeit not as many days per week. All the short drives and idle time made me leery of a diesel. Enter COVID and I've been full time from home now for over a year, and thanks to my employer selling the new office building before even moving into it I have no commute to go back to. So now the gas F-250 is almost exclusively for towing. I'm going to stick with the gasser because it easily handles the ORV, and like you, I'm limited in space to park the camper here at the house. We actually ended up just a little bit longer than we wanted but made it work. I think if I were buying new again I'd still stick with gas though I'd spring for the 7.3L which wasn't available at the time I found the F-250. And I'd likely stay with the F-250 as well - the ~3200+ payload is more than enough. Given what is going on with both truck and RV pricing/availability I'm glad we upgraded both when we did. Hopefully things are going to head in a more "normal" direction soon in that regard.

Brought home a 2021 Nissan Titan XD (gas) on Friday morning.

Dealer gave me $1k less than I paid for the GMC in Feb. 2017.

[Chiggins]

I will add… I love my 6.7 power stroke as I saw you bring it up. Maintenance wise oil change is 100 at dealer than 70… 50 when I do myself… diesel tows night and day difference between gas truck. Also diesel will get better mpg than its comparable gas engine. Way better towing as I only lose 1 or 2 mpg towing my 39’ 5ver. If you go to one truck instead of having a beater and say in 3/4 ton my opinion is diesel all the way

[ttavasc]

Originally Posted by 01tundra

Brought home a 2021 Nissan Titan XD (gas) on Friday morning.

Dealer gave me $1k less than I paid for the GMC in Feb. 2017.

Congrats on the new truck! It will do a great job for you. Definitely a sellers market right now - glad you were able to take advantage of it. Post up some pics when you get a chance.

[01tundra]

Originally Posted by ttavasc

Congrats on the new truck! It will do a great job for you. Definitely a sellers market right now - glad you were able to take advantage of it. Post up some pics when you get a chance.

[Bodaddy]

Nice Titan XD ! Very capable truck. It’s a very heavy truck, which I love.

[crockettlarry]

Originally Posted by 01tundra

Brought home a 2021 Nissan Titan XD (gas) on Friday morning.

Dealer gave me $1k less than I paid for the GMC in Feb. 2017.

What dealer? I live in Middle Tennessee also.

[01tundra]

Originally Posted by crockettlarry

What dealer? I live in Middle Tennessee also.

Newton Nissan in Gallatin