2500 to F150?

[borninblue]

So I currently have a 2014 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 which I use to tow our 2016 32’ Jayco 27BHS. I have a Prius as a daily driver and my truck sits for the most part unless I’m towing or using it for projects or yard work. My car is on it’s last leg and was considering the possibility of trading in both vehicles and moving toward a 2021 hybrid F150 and also use it as a daily driver. Do you think this would be safe considering the truck would be full, 2 adults and 2 teenagers. Obviously I’m concerned about payload. But from the specs maybe I could get away with a max tow package F150.....

Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) View Definition 6065
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) View Definition 620
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) View Definition 8250
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) View Definition 2185

[Midnightmoon]

Have you verified the tongue weight of your 27bhs on a CAT or other scale? If not, that would be my first suggestion. Then, you can use real world numbers in your calculations.

[borninblue]

I did a few years back and believe the tongue was around 950

[Midnightmoon]

For reference, the payload capacity of my Max Tow 150 is 1857 lb. I'm not sure what the comparable numbers on the hybrid would be.

[borninblue]

Originally Posted by Midnightmoon

For reference, the payload capacity of my Max Tow 150 is 1857 lb. I'm not sure what the comparable numbers on the hybrid would be.

Looks like the payload for the hybrid equipped the way I want is about 1800.

[kayakterp]

I have the same TT. I would be very reluctant to pull that trailer with a 1/2 ton truck!
The bigger brakes and the extra structure & weight on the 3/4 ton truck will make it a much safer experience towing!
Even though I don't like using it as a daily driver, I won't change it for smaller truck!
Good Luck

[borninblue]

Originally Posted by kayakterp

I have the same TT. I would be very reluctant to pull that trailer with a 1/2 ton truck!
The bigger brakes and the extra structure & weight on the 3/4 ton truck will make it a much safer experience towing!
Even though I don't like using it as a daily driver, I won't change it for smaller truck!
Good Luck

I hear ya, main reason why I initially went 3/4 to begin with ...just thought there might be some better options out there now since it has been several years since I have looked at trucks. I really like the idea of that smart backup option now with Ford. I see some 1/2tons now have diesel as an option as well...wow times have changed

[ALJO]

Do the math and you will see with your plan you'll loose a lot of equity in your assets. Special in a time where the cost of vehicles are high. Trade-in's doesn't benefit you.
Keep the setup your having now instead of downgrading. Maintain what you have very well and you will be ahead of the game.

[borninblue]

Originally Posted by ALJO

Do the math and you will see with your plan you'll loose a lot of equity in your assets. Special in a time where the cost of vehicles are high. Trade-in's doesn't benefit you.
Keep the setup your having now instead of downgrading. Maintain what you have very well and you will be ahead of the game.

Probably leaning that way...even though now I’m tempted to upgrade to a 250 diesel....big market for used trucks right now, you can get some good value on a trade in.

[kayakterp]

I agree that the Truck market on used vehicles is very strong right now.
One big thing to consider is how you would be using the truck?
If it’s mostly for towing then definitely diesel would be nice!
If it’s for your DD then me personally wouldn’t want a diesel cuz I didn’t think it is good to run diesels for short periods like 5 minutes to the quick store or 15 minutes to grocery, etc.
Also the upkeep of diesels seem higher up front even though in the long run it evens out (according to most diesel owners)
With today’s technology that may have changed but I’m not up to date with this?

[borninblue]

Originally Posted by kayakterp

I agree that the Truck market on used vehicles is very strong right now.
One big thing to consider is how you would be using the truck?
If it’s mostly for towing then definitely diesel would be nice!
If it’s for your DD then me personally wouldn’t want a diesel cuz I didn’t think it is good to run diesels for short periods like 5 minutes to the quick store or 15 minutes to grocery, etc.
Also the upkeep of diesels seem higher up front even though in the long run it evens out (according to most diesel owners)
With today’s technology that may have changed but I’m not up to date with this?

Yeah wouldn’t be for daily driver..would just buy a beater when my current daily driver dies. Always wanted a diesel for towing and have a dream of upgrading to a 5th wheel when I retire in 6 years.

[ttavasc]

Originally Posted by borninblue

Probably leaning that way...even though now I’m tempted to upgrade to a 250 diesel....big market for used trucks right now, you can get some good value on a trade in.

Make sure and check the payload on any F-250 diesel as often times I've seen them down close to 1/2 ton payloads, especially on higher trim models. The extra weight of the diesel and the 10K GVWR combine for a fair amount less payload than a gas model. It may work for you, but if you want diesel I'd skip the F-250 and move to the F-350.

[borninblue]

Originally Posted by ttavasc

Make sure and check the payload on any F-250 diesel as often times I've seen them down close to 1/2 ton payloads, especially on higher trim models. The extra weight of the diesel and the 10K GVWR combine for a fair amount less payload than a gas model. It may work for you, but if you want diesel I'd skip the F-250 and move to the F-350.

Good information thank you! Just assumed the 250 would have much more payload. I’ll be looking at the spec sheets.

[Midnightmoon]

Originally Posted by borninblue

Good information thank you! Just assumed the 250 would have much more payload. I’ll be looking at the spec sheets.

For example. On paper, my F150 has a 1857 lb payload. My Ram 2500 Cummins has a 2047 lb listed payload.

[Jagiven]

Looking online at some of the details, it looks to have some incredible specifications. On Ford's website, they are stating a payload capacity up to 3,325 lbs. I would assume that is a 2 wheel drive, regular cab, max tow. I certainly would want to look at the yellow sticker before making the jump.

I forgot this is the pickup with the built in generator too.

[NewBlackDak]

Originally Posted by Jagiven

Looking online at some of the details, it looks to have some incredible specifications. On Ford's website, they are stating a payload capacity up to 3,325 lbs. I would assume that is a 2 wheel drive, regular cab, max tow. I certainly would want to look at the yellow sticker before making the jump.

I forgot this is the pickup with the built in generator too.

You’re only getting that much payload capacity with a gas engine on a 250/2500. Just go F-350 if you want diesel and are planning on a fifth wheel. The price difference is negligible.

[01tundra]

Originally Posted by ttavasc

Make sure and check the payload on any F-250 diesel as often times I've seen them down close to 1/2 ton payloads, especially on higher trim models. The extra weight of the diesel and the 10K GVWR combine for a fair amount less payload than a gas model. It may work for you, but if you want diesel I'd skip the F-250 and move to the F-350.

Absolutely, I'm considering going down to an F-150 next time since our trailer scales at 4,540 lbs loaded with a scaled tongue weight of 670 lbs AND we're never going much (if any) larger than this trailer. The longest trailer that we can fit in our pavilion is 25' and that's pushing it, ideally we'd stay 24' and under. Not to mention we have no desire for more trailer, our current 22' is pretty much perfect for us.

Our 2500HD Duramax Denali only has a payload of 2,124 lbs, I can get almost that on a decently trimmed F-150. At worse case load we would need 1,800 lbs of available payload.

If I stick with an HD platform I'll either get a 2500 gas or 3500 diesel.....I'll never own another 2500 diesel personally.

I'm in a weird situation so I'm struggling to decide what I want to do next. My 2017 GMC is basically for towing only and currently has 33,000 miles on it, my daily driver is my '03 Tacoma with 220,000 miles on it.

Now that I work from home, I'd like to drive the nicer truck at times around town, but every time I do it wants to regen because it never regens while on the interstate towing....where it spends 99% of it's life currently.

The flip side, I'll never sell the Tacoma and it's fine for a daily driver around town. The GMC is paid for and has almost no miles on it and pulls like a dream, the only rub is I will time out on warranties in 2/21.....decisions, decisions

[Bourbonman]

One thing to consider is the new HD’s from Ford and GM have much higher payload capacity and GVWR than they use to on the 2500 and 3500’s.

I personally wouldn’t tow an 8k lb trailer with a half ton. Any wind, rough roads, or emergency maneuver and you would immediately regret it. Something like 01Tundra’s 4,500 lb trailer is a different story.

Due to COVID, I have worked from home this past year since I got my 2020 and my diesel only regens about once every 3-4 weeks, and I fill up about the same. Much different than the 2015 I had last.

To me, you have a great gas option from Ford or the diesels from all three but my suggestion would be to go with a 3500. My 2020 3500 rides better than my 2015 2500 did and the additional cargo capacity/GVWR is worth it. I’ll never do another 2500 again.

[ttavasc]

Originally Posted by 01tundra

Absolutely, I'm considering going down to an F-150 next time since our trailer scales at 4,540 lbs loaded with a scaled tongue weight of 670 lbs AND we're never going much (if any) larger than this trailer. The longest trailer that we can fit in our pavilion is 25' and that's pushing it, ideally we'd stay 24' and under. Not to mention we have no desire for more trailer, our current 22' is pretty much perfect for us.

Our 2500HD Duramax Denali only has a payload of 2,124 lbs, I can get almost that on a decently trimmed F-150. At worse case load we would need 1,800 lbs of available payload.

If I stick with an HD platform I'll either get a 2500 gas or 3500 diesel.....I'll never own another 2500 diesel personally.

I'm in a weird situation so I'm struggling to decide what I want to do next. My 2017 GMC is basically for towing only and currently has 33,000 miles on it, my daily driver is my '03 Tacoma with 220,000 miles on it.

Now that I work from home, I'd like to drive the nicer truck at times around town, but every time I do it wants to regen because it never regens while on the interstate towing....where it spends 99% of it's life currently.

The flip side, I'll never sell the Tacoma and it's fine for a daily driver around town. The GMC is paid for and has almost no miles on it and pulls like a dream, the only rub is I will time out on warranties in 2/21.....decisions, decisions

When I upgraded to the gas F-250 in early 2019 I did so partly based on the short 5 mile one-way commute I had at the time. That was supposed to be changing in 2020 to a longer (~18 miles one way I think) but far more congested commute - albeit not as many days per week. All the short drives and idle time made me leery of a diesel. Enter COVID and I've been full time from home now for over a year, and thanks to my employer selling the new office building before even moving into it I have no commute to go back to. So now the gas F-250 is almost exclusively for towing. I'm going to stick with the gasser because it easily handles the ORV, and like you, I'm limited in space to park the camper here at the house. We actually ended up just a little bit longer than we wanted but made it work. I think if I were buying new again I'd still stick with gas though I'd spring for the 7.3L which wasn't available at the time I found the F-250. And I'd likely stay with the F-250 as well - the ~3200+ payload is more than enough. Given what is going on with both truck and RV pricing/availability I'm glad we upgraded both when we did. Hopefully things are going to head in a more "normal" direction soon in that regard.

[RKHengst]

I had a duramax 3/4 ton truck for 16 years and loved it. But as I began to downsize and change from 5th wheel to drag behind, I started to reconsider my tow vehicle requirements. Plus, the old truck was beginning to be too rough for the wife. Since my trailer seemed to fall well within the tow limits of today’s half ton trucks, I tried several of the major trucks in the half ton range. Turns out that, even if they can tow the weight easily, they were too light to handle any kind of cross wind in my 31QBDS which has about a 33’ box.

Before returning to the 3/4 ton vehicles, I gave a final try to the Nissan Titan XD, which claims that with an additional 1,000 lbs they added a substantially heavier duty frame, and added capacity to brakes and rear axle. And they added a foot to the bed to make it the normal 6 1/2” length.

I ended up buying the truck, thankfully avoiding the 5 liter Cummings diesel which has been troublesome to many. I need to tell you that this truck hauls my pretty substantial camper without issues and is as stable as any 3/4 ton vehicle I’ve driven. Nissan does not claim it to be a 3/4 ton truck, and it is not. But, I am convinced that the additional weight in the right places enables a tow experience better than any conventional 1/2 ton truck out there.

By the way, I bought used, but since these trucks come with a 5 year 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty there was little risk on my part. The truck does ride a bit harsher than a “normal” half ton, but is by no means uncomfortable, and legions ahead of my trusty old Duramax. And the switch from diesel to gas has been uneventful, for a daily driver gas makes a lot more sense and is cheaper in every way.