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Old 05-13-2015, 07:23 AM   #11
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You're good to check, but we have a 1/2 ton Tundra 4.6 and tow a 28BH with it, but no slides or anything, I don't even have WDH. I just will load a few things in the rear storage to offset the propane and battery up front and it rides level. That diesel is a beast and you should pull it no problem.
Seriously?

That is really bad advice. You do realize that the weight carrying limit of your receiver is probably only 500lbs right? And you are loading up the back of the trailer to reduce tongue weight creating an unstable trailer.

You need a WDH!
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Old 05-13-2015, 07:28 AM   #12
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Thank you all for the replies! I guess all I need to do now is some haggling on price.
Let us know how it turns out...and post lots of pictures!

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Seriously?

That is really bad advice. You do realize that the weight carrying limit of your receiver is probably only 500lbs right? And you are loading up the back of the trailer to reduce tongue weight creating an unstable trailer.

You need a WDH!
I don't pretend to be expert, but loading trailer to adjust the tongue weight that is done all the time, if you are hauling a race car, you move the car so the trailer tongue weight is not excessive and weight is centered with the recommended amount on the hitch for stability. You don't want the car to pull the hitch up or push down so much it unstabilizes the TV. There's a interesting video on the "grassroots motorsports" web page about how they grossly mis-loaded a race car and used a short wheelbase TV like a Explorer and even at one point disconnected the trailer brakes and sent a driver around a road course race track to make observations on various things measuring braking distance and what not.

When I added two full large propane tanks and a battery and gear I noticed my previously level trailer was now a little down in the front due to the weight so far ahead of the wheels, just put my popup shelter in the rear storage and a couple other small things and for me, it worked. I probably could use WDH for best performance but I've been buying things like crazy since buying my needy TT, just got X chocks, wheel chocks (instead of 2x6's which didn't work very well), vent cover, spare tire, tire mount for bumper (hey, more weight off hitch, just thought of that), new flooring, LED bulbs, Y hose tap, etc!! Just trying to space it out purchases. The Goodyear radial tires on it and the way the Tundra tows, its incredibly stable. I don't have the power of diesel but the frame and hitch are super beefy. I'll have to educate myself on what the hitch can handle and find a local scale I can visit as I understand that will be very illuminating. I've also seen rigs that use a bathroom scale and leverage to measure tongue weight, so I have research to do on my setup to make it better and safer. For now with eye to how its loaded, its working. My first trip I didn't even have a trailer brake installed as I had just got the thing and was psyched about doing a weekend. That in dry conditions wasn't as bad as I expected with the huge brakes on the Tundra, but now with TB I can see that was dangerous for accident avoidance.

I am aware of the fact you don't want too light of a tongue it should be in range, I wasn't recommending that for the OP, at WDH is a great recommended addition. I have driven a buddy's larger cargo trailer with a WDH to CA and back to TX and understand how they work.

Regardless, his big 3/4 ton diesel should handle his trailer, but have to take care loading and use common towing practices. I have a buddy with a Duramax crew cab and he tells me if he didn't see his 29' TT in the mirror, he wouldn't know it was attached.
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Old 05-13-2015, 12:31 PM   #14
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My 28BHBE was 1,100lb last time I hit the scales. No fluids. Full propane. I was very surprised how heavy it was. After moving some cargo in the trailer, I got it down to about 950lb using sherline scale.

Still puts me GVWR, and rear axle rating (1/2 ton truck) :-(
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I don't pretend to be expert, but loading trailer to adjust the tongue weight that is done all the time, if you are hauling a race car, you move the car so the trailer tongue weight is not excessive and weight is centered with the recommended amount on the hitch for stability. You don't want the car to pull the hitch up or push down so much it unstabilizes the TV. There's a interesting video on the "grassroots motorsports" web page about how they grossly mis-loaded a race car and used a short wheelbase TV like a Explorer and even at one point disconnected the trailer brakes and sent a driver around a road course race track to make observations on various things measuring braking distance and what not.

When I added two full large propane tanks and a battery and gear I noticed my previously level trailer was now a little down in the front due to the weight so far ahead of the wheels, just put my popup shelter in the rear storage and a couple other small things and for me, it worked. I probably could use WDH for best performance but I've been buying things like crazy since buying my needy TT, just got X chocks, wheel chocks (instead of 2x6's which didn't work very well), vent cover, spare tire, tire mount for bumper (hey, more weight off hitch, just thought of that), new flooring, LED bulbs, Y hose tap, etc!! Just trying to space it out purchases. The Goodyear radial tires on it and the way the Tundra tows, its incredibly stable. I don't have the power of diesel but the frame and hitch are super beefy. I'll have to educate myself on what the hitch can handle and find a local scale I can visit as I understand that will be very illuminating. I've also seen rigs that use a bathroom scale and leverage to measure tongue weight, so I have research to do on my setup to make it better and safer. For now with eye to how its loaded, its working. My first trip I didn't even have a trailer brake installed as I had just got the thing and was psyched about doing a weekend. That in dry conditions wasn't as bad as I expected with the huge brakes on the Tundra, but now with TB I can see that was dangerous for accident avoidance.

I am aware of the fact you don't want too light of a tongue it should be in range, I wasn't recommending that for the OP, at WDH is a great recommended addition. I have driven a buddy's larger cargo trailer with a WDH to CA and back to TX and understand how they work.

Regardless, his big 3/4 ton diesel should handle his trailer, but have to take care loading and use common towing practices. I have a buddy with a Duramax crew cab and he tells me if he didn't see his 29' TT in the mirror, he wouldn't know it was attached.
Thanks for the additional information.
Yes I agree with you that rearranging things to adjust tongue weight is common as I have done it myself but it is best to do that if you know what your tongue weight is from a scale.
The range of acceptable tongue weight is 10-15% of the trailer weight. In my case I don't think 10-11% is particularly stable and I have had better luck around 13-15%. So as long as you are still keeping enough weight on the tongue you are fine moving stuff around in the trailer.
As far as the WDH it is a much more valuable (necessary) item than most of the other purchases. Your receiver hitch will have a sticker on it with its rating. For most half ton trucks it will be 500/5000lbs weight carrying mode and 1000/10000lbs using a weight distribution hitch.
Your trailer is way above 500lbs tongue weight and 5000lbs trailer weight so you need a WDH. Even on a 1 ton truck you would need one.

And sorry for hijacking the OP. To get back on topic the GVWR of the 28BHBE is 9250lbs so at the absolute max your tongue weight would be 1390lbs. Even at that you are probably fine with your 2000lbs payload and passengers. More realistically the trailer is probably around 8000lbs loaded up and you can load it for 12-13% tongue weight giving you about 1000lbs of tongue weight which is inline with what others are saying.

Go for it! Looks like a great trailer.
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