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Old 07-08-2018, 02:24 PM   #1
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Another f250 vs. f350 post

Welp, may as well dive right in here.

Our current TV is a 2016 f150, 5.0, with a payload of 2157. With that Ford we drag a 23BHM (GVWR 6250) around Pennsylvania. The set-up does just fine, but still I get just a tiny bit nervous sometimes on longer pulls. I don't know why that is, it just is. There's no sway, the Ford doesn't struggle, but I find myself haunting the local dealership every now and then ogling f250's and even the 350's. I guess I read too many posts on here.

Being as how the truck we have is only a year-and-a-half old and has just 7500 miles on it I was not hot to have my wife find out I've been seeing other trucks, but last night I decided to come clean. To my surprise-actually-not-surprise she's all aboard and even made noises about a bigger trailer.

I'm thinking we will end up maybe next year or the year after with a small FW or trailer with a GVWR of 9000 or maybe 10,000 pounds - perhaps a 28BHBE or something. Never having had one would we be OK with a 250, or should I scour around for a 350? It will be a 6.2 because we're already taking a hot-enough bath on the 150, and it will surely have 3.73 gearing unless I miraculously stumble into a 4.30. I will do my due diligence hunting payload.

I'm asking folks that have experience with one or the other truck for your recommendation, and also folks who have stepped up from a 150 to a 250 or 350 for your experiences - is there an appreciable difference? I'll hang up and listen.
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Old 07-08-2018, 02:35 PM   #2
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IMHO, if your going to upgrade, go all the way to the 350, especially as in the grand scheme of things the price difference between 250 and 350 is fairly small. We went from a Tundra to 2500 with our TT and there was a significant difference, for the better, with the way the 2500 handled the TT. I should have gone 3500 at he time and saved myself a lot of money and aggravation, because within a couple of years we’d decided to upgrade to our current rig and a 2500 wasn’t going to cut it.
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In some states going above 10,000 GVWR on the truck lifts you to commercial status with higher fees, which is why the 250 has the 10,000 GVWR package. A gasser 250 will have a payload of over 3,000 lbs, mine is 3287 so no worries there. If you will be towing a large 5er with a heavy pin weight then 350 diesel would be the way to go. A 350 May also have to be ordered, slim pickings on the lots. But as mentioned with the 350 if you do go bigger one day you have it. Of course if you go 350/gas you are then limited by the engine on what you can tow. With your proposed trailer a 250/6.2 would do well.
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In some states going above 10,000 GVWR on the truck lifts you to commercial status with higher fees, which is why the 250 has the 10,000 GVWR package. A gasser 250 will have a payload of over 3,000 lbs, mine is 3287 so no worries there. If you will be towing a large 5er with a heavy pin weight then 350 diesel would be the way to go. A 350 May also have to be ordered, slim pickings on the lots. But as mentioned with the 350 if you do go bigger one day you have it. Of course if you go 350/gas you are then limited by the engine on what you can tow. With your proposed trailer a 250/6.2 would do well.
In PA, annual registration is based on GVWR by the following schedule.

https://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dv...rms/MV-70S.pdf

A 1/2 ton registered class 2 runs $86/year. 3/4 ton registered 3 would be $164, 4A/4B $212/year. 1 ton registered class 5 $323/year.
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In PA, annual registration is based on GVWR by the following schedule.

https://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dv...rms/MV-70S.pdf

A 1/2 ton registered class 2 runs $86/year. 3/4 ton registered 3 would be $164, 4A/4B $212/year. 1 ton registered class 5 $323/year.
Here in Virginia a commercial vehicle does not qualify for the 40% car tax relief, we pay personal property taxes on vehicles, boats, RVs etc. So if the vehicle is commercial the yearly tax increase could be substantial.
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Here in Virginia a commercial vehicle does not qualify for the 40% car tax relief, we pay personal property taxes on vehicles, boats, RVs etc. So if the vehicle is commercial the yearly tax increase could be substantial.
So commercial registration status is based on weight in VA not usage?
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So commercial registration status is based on weight in VA not usage?
If my understanding is correct it can be both or either. Any vehicle claimed for business use, does not qualify for tax relief. It can be half ton, Yugo, or whatever. But if a truck goes over the 10k weight rating it requires truck tags, which makes it a commercial vehicle regardless of use. But I could be wrong, would not be the first time. My F250 does not have truck tags, a buddy s 350 does. The differences in actual registration rates are likely minimal, it's the tax that kills ya. But we do have low real estate taxes here, so each state gets you one way or the other in the end.
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When I was shopping for a used TV, the 350s were only ~$300 more than the 250s. I was shopping diesel though. Ended up with a `16 F350 Platinum 6.7 4x4 CC SB I bought four states away for the same price they were selling F250 XLTs in my area (Central NJ).
Because the GCVW is 11500 the registration is 678 every 4 years ($169.50/yr). If I bought the 250 @ 10000 it would be 530 every 4 years (132.50/yr). Not nothing but I'm not going to miss it.
TBH I'm not sure why they sell 3/4 tons. Seems like they should just sell 150s, rename SRW 350 the 250, and change the DRW 350 to just 350.
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So I'm looking around and I found an f350 XLT crew cab, 8' bed, Premium package, 6.2 gas - nice truck. $44,000. From the Ford brochure the max towing capacity is 12,100. The same f250 configuration has a max towing of 12,500. Is the lighter tow capacity of the f350 due to it being heavier than the 250, or is this some sort of Ford hoo doo with numbers?
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So I'm looking around and I found an f350 XLT crew cab, 8' bed, Premium package, 6.2 gas - nice truck. $44,000. From the Ford brochure the max towing capacity is 12,100. The same f250 configuration has a max towing of 12,500. Is the lighter tow capacity of the f350 due to it being heavier than the 250, or is this some sort of Ford hoo doo with numbers?
Some 250's and 350's will differ from one another. There are 350's out there with the so called "camper package" which includes a sway bar and excludes the auxiliary spring. This package is usually a payload downgrade. I ran hundreds of VIN's and it took me several months before deciding on the correct 1 ton. If you get a VIN, I'll run it for you and get the skinny.
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Any option that adds weight like a diesel engine reduce the towing numbers.
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So I'm looking around and I found an f350 XLT crew cab, 8' bed, Premium package, 6.2 gas - nice truck. $44,000. From the Ford brochure the max towing capacity is 12,100. The same f250 configuration has a max towing of 12,500. Is the lighter tow capacity of the f350 due to it being heavier than the 250, or is this some sort of Ford hoo doo with numbers?
Yes going to the 350 is only going to increase your payload, not your tow rating. Move to the diesel and your tow rating increases considerably. The 430 gear will also increase your tow rating. But on lots they are almost unicorns from what I found with 250s.
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Some 250's and 350's will differ from one another. There are 350's out there with the so called "camper package" which includes a sway bar and excludes the auxiliary spring. This package is usually a payload downgrade. I ran hundreds of VIN's and it took me several months before deciding on the correct 1 ton. If you get a VIN, I'll run it for you and get the skinny.

Thank you! Looks like 1FT8W3B67HED55427. My eyes aren't as good as they used to be though
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What year?

Interesting looking @ 2017 (I think that's what it is based on VIN) on GoodSam Towing Guide

Conventional Trailer
250CC 4x4 LB w/6.2
3.73 - 12300 / 4.30 - 14800
350CC 4x4 LB w/6.2
3.73 - 12000 / 4.30 - 15000 (so less than the 250 w/3.73 but more with 4.30)

5th Wheel
250CC 4x4 LB w/6.2
3.73 - 12200 / 4.30 - 14700
350CC 4x4 LB w/6.2
3.73 - 12000 / 4.30 - 15500 (again less than the 250 w/3.73 but more with 4.30)
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Yes going to the 350 is only going to increase your payload, not your tow rating. Move to the diesel and your tow rating increases considerably. The 430 gear will also increase your tow rating. But on lots they are almost unicorns from what I found with 250s.

The thing about that diesel though is that the towing capacity goes up and the payload goes down. So if you want, say, a smaller 5th wheel (like my wife does - eesh) you might be better off with a gas engine to save the payload. (Disclaimer: I know nothing. Nothing at all.) The 4.30 looks like the sweet spot but I've found the same as you - scarce as hen's teeth.
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The thing about that diesel though is that the towing capacity goes up and the payload goes down. So if you want, say, a smaller 5th wheel (like my wife does - eesh) you might be better off with a gas engine to save the payload. (Disclaimer: I know nothing. Nothing at all.) The 4.30 looks like the sweet spot but I've found the same as you - scarce as hen's teeth.
Oh yes with a small fiver you would be fine with the gasser and have adequate payload. If you move up to a large one....... Then you need payload and a hefty tow rating hence the diesel 350 and or dually lol......
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The thing about that diesel though is that the towing capacity goes up and the payload goes down. So if you want, say, a smaller 5th wheel (like my wife does - eesh) you might be better off with a gas engine to save the payload. (Disclaimer: I know nothing. Nothing at all.) The 4.30 looks like the sweet spot but I've found the same as you - scarce as hen's teeth.
Trust me, diesel is the way to go. But there's trade offs that you have to consider. Gas engines are cheaper to maintain after the warranty runs out. You can yank more weight with a diesel so it's good for future planning. (Everybody upgrades..eventually) Diesel fuel is higher than regular gas, at least in my area. Diesels sell quicker and retain more value than a comparable gas engine truck. The 4.30 can be ordered through Ford but I don't think it's necessary to do what you want. Unless you're buying a 42ft. 15K pound 5'er with 6 slides. Mileage will suffer like a bad dog with 4.30's. My 6.7 with 3.55's got 11.8 mpg on my last trip weighted down with over 5 tons of trailer and cargo.

I have your VIN info. If you like, I can fax it to you. Just PM me or tell me what you need to know about it.
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I have your VIN info. If you like, I can fax it to you. Just PM me or tell me what you need to know about it.

Ooh! I don't know how to PM but I'll give it a go.

A diesel would be wonderful but my wife hates them ("they stink and they're too loud!"). My tractor is a diesel and I don't find it much different than gas. But we'll truly never upgrade to the point where we'll need all that extra power so I'll keep her happy. Happy wife...
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Ooh! I don't know how to PM but I'll give it a go.

A diesel would be wonderful but my wife hates them ("they stink and they're too loud!"). My tractor is a diesel and I don't find it much different than gas. But we'll truly never upgrade to the point where we'll need all that extra power so I'll keep her happy. Happy wife...
New diesels are very quiet. Some as quiet as gas. My wife said the same thing. lol
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