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Old 10-20-2014, 07:04 PM   #1
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I have a 2015 Chevy Silverado 2500HD (dry 6525) with a fifth wheel towing capacity of 14000 and a GCWR #20500.

The camper's dry weight is 12120 with a dry hitch weight under 1900. I still should have almost 1800 of room to load junk (dry).

My understanding is my limit is for both truck and rv is GCWR# 20500. My truck weighs 6525 and rv 12120 (both dry). I have to be below the hitch weight and towing weight. Everything in the truck and rv on top of the dry weight has to be below my GCWR. They say you put about 600 pounds worth of stuff in the camper. My wife and kids (5 and 7) don't weight 500 altogether. I should have just under 1200 pounds left.

If my thinking is off can you explain.
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Payload is almost always the limiting factor, the limits you mention are important but typically you will run out of payload before you exceed the GCVWR.

You mention your truck weighs 6525, is that with full fuel and all passengers? If not, fuel up and load up then hit the scale. If it does then simply subtract the scale weight from your trucks GVWR, this provides the "actual cargo carrying capacity". This number is what you have available for the FW pin weight and hitch plus anything else you an to carry.

Lastly, RV dry weights mean nothing. At a minimum you need to consider actual ship weights plus estimated cargo. I know we have loaded way more than 600lb in gear in my TT. It adds up really fast. Heck, I bet the mattress topper plus batteries alone are 200lbs -- that doesn't even start to count kitchen items, grills, tools, EZ ups, camp chairs, bikes, etc.
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Old 10-20-2014, 07:53 PM   #3
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Payload is almost always the limiting factor, the limits you mention are important but typically you will run out of payload before you exceed the GCVWR.
Agreed. Look at the door pillar sticker for the payload capacity of your truck. My F-250 has a payload of 2400lbs. A pin weight of 1900 would only leave me with 500lbs for everything else.
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I'll 3rd these suggestions. The CAT Scale is your friend. Pile the tribe and some gear in the TV, fill the fuel tank and weigh her. The difference between the Rear GAWR (from the Yellow sticker) and the drive axle weight (from the scale) will tell you how much weight you can add to the rear axle. That will be the hitch and the pin.
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You will have to consider payload, and GCVW. Payload is weight in/on the truck itself, GCVW is the total weight for both vehicles (loaded). If you don't exceed either you are good to go.

Have you bought this trailer or are you ordering it? The reason I ask is because we recently ordered one and the booklet dry weight and the actual dry weight when we received the trailer was about a 10% difference. Just something to keep in mind if you haven't physically seen this trailer and sticker.
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Old 10-21-2014, 06:28 PM   #6
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I have not bought it. Just looking right now and trying to figure out how heavy I can go.
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Once you know the available cargo capacity of your 2500, the loaded pin weight will tell you how large you can go. My understanding is FW pin weights are typically ~20-25% of the loaded weight. If my Duramax is similar to you truck, then you are working with about 2400lbs or cargo capacity. For me that is ~400lbs for me and the family plus stuff, leaving 2000 for hitch and pin weight. That would allow approx 9000-10000 loaded FW.
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I have the same truck, 2105 chevy 2500HD crew cab 6.0 L gas with 4:10 rear Z71 and trailering package. I'm new to 5th wheel pulling and have the same question. Can I pull the trailer I want to buy? The trailer salesman, of course says, "sure, you won't even know it's back there!"

I get so many different opinions and also have found so many "fill in the blank towing calculators" but they are all over the place. I did find this one though that I hope is accurate because it says I can safely pull the trailer I'd like to get (Jayco 345 BHTS). I like this calculator because it uses all of the parameters, not just 3 or 4. Please anyone let me know your thoughts on this calculator.

I can’t attach a link to this message so just Google:
Fifth Wheel Hitch Calculator - Purdue University

It’s an excel spreadsheet. Let me know what you come up with on your trailer.

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Old 11-03-2014, 07:23 PM   #9
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My dealer saying I can tow upto 13,000 with airbags and springs attachments added.

I had three different dealers say this. But yes they are trying to sell the fifth wheel.
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Today the dealer and I also crunched the numbers some more and he believes it's right inside the limits. I think I'm going to end up getting a Jayco HT. The one 5th wheel model with the 4 bunks over the nose and the queen in the back would fit my 3 boys and big dog just fine, while leaving my wife and I with a better feeling about safe towing capacity. In a few years when I get the bug for new toys I'll get a bigger truck and maybe a fancier trailer. That will be right around the time the boy's braces will be paid off but then again they'll likely want to go to college. I better get while the gettin's good. I'm curious to see what you decide. Keep this thread posted please.

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