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Old 06-03-2013, 12:38 AM   #11
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Jayco's web site only has the 2013 284BHS weight specifications reflecting a published 6,510lb UVW & 9,000lb GVWR. Since you mentioned that the 2014 284BHS is on the dealer's lot, I will assume the 7,400lb dry weight you stated earlier is off the TT's yellow sticker which is reflecting it's actual Ship Weight (please advise if I'm incorrect), and I will also assume a 9,000lb GVWR for the 2014 284BHS.

Conservative example of a 248BHS loaded weights for a family of four, based on the above assumptions:

(7,400lb Ship Weight) + (100lbs RV Dealer; battery, etc.) + (700lbs cargo, tanks empty) = 8,200lbs Loaded Weight
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(13% to 15%) of 8,200lbs = 1,066lbs to 1,230lbs Loaded Tongue Weight recommended for a 32ft TT.

Depending on your personal family loading habits, your actual cargo loaded weight may differ. My Eagle TT loaded weight is 8,400lbs and I have a loaded tongue weight of 1,300lbs.

Since you have the F-150, and to eliminate any payload capacity assumptions, take your "loaded" F-150 (full fuel, passengers, cargo, etc.) to a CAT scale and weigh it (about $10, valuable data to know). Subtract the CAT scale gross weight from the GVWR posted on the driver's door of your F150..., the remaining weight is what you have available for the combined weights of the TT loaded tongue weight, WDH, and any other weight not accounted for at the CAT scale.

Manufacture published Tow Ratings, please refer to my earlier post.

Hope this helps.

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Hey Bob,

Thanks a lot for your advice. I am still having a hard time wrapping my head around this...I filled up my truck with gas today and took my wife and daughter with me to the scale and weighed in at 6,710 lbs. Now I went online and determined that my particular make and model has a listed GVWR of 7,200 lbs. Now with the numbers you worked out, I feel these would be a realistic number for what we would pack, if not a little more generous than what we would pack. If you could shoot me back another message that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for everyone's input!!!
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:36 AM   #12
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We had an F150 when we bought our trailer. I found that the trailer was a bit too much for the truck. The tongue weight was alot our truck had a tow rating of 9500 lbs and trailer was 7500 gvw. Tongue weight goes towards your truck payload. We now have a one ton. We were okay with short trips but longer stuff up to the interior was a little tough epecially when you are packed up for a week. I weighed my truck and trailer once when we were loaded up for a week long trip and we were under on CGVW but overweight on the rear truck axle by about 800 lbs. This was also not packing water along in the tanks either. Just my experience with our 2005 f150. If you are planning on upgrading your truck soon I would think about it. We didnt plan on upgrading our truck and made the mistake of borrowing our friends truck which is a one ton dodge similar to the one we now have and my wife loved how much easier the trailer was to tow with the bigger truck so we bought the truck in my sig. Found it locally and made a deal on it.
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:36 AM   #13
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So Bob...whats your final verdict. The dealer will alow me to take the tt out for a spin before buying. I do plan on upgrading my tv in the next year or so and dont want to make the mistake of buying the wrong trailer and losing big time on a trade in a couple years. I think I can make it work. I am looking to upgrade my wd hitch and add sway control. Take care and thanks for the advice.
Becareful here..Your dealer may let you take it for a spin and it may feel do-able but with gear etc loaded and after some real seat time you may end up cooking your transmission, rear end, brakes etc.. If your stuck on this particullar TT you need to upgrade your truck. Its ultimatly up to you to correctly pair the TV to the TT. Dont rely on the dealer to do this for you. They will say/do anything to close a deal.
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:42 AM   #14
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snip...... I filled up my truck with gas today and took my wife and daughter with me to the scale and weighed in at 6,710 lbs. Now I went online and determined that my particular make and model has a listed GVWR of 7,200 lbs....snip
The time and effort you invested at the CAT scale weighing your TV was well spent. Your F-150 should also have it's GVWR noted on the driver's door, check and confirm that it also says 7,200lbs..., but I will assume a GVWR of 7,200lbs.

What we now know is that you have 490lbs Payload Capacity remaining (GVWR 7,200lbs - 6,710lbs CAT scale) on your particular TV for supporting a TT's tongue weight and WDH weight without exceeding your TV's GVWR..., and 490lbs isn't very much. Even if we removed all the 700lb cargo weight from the 284BHS example in my earlier post (8,200lbs -700lbs = 7,500lbs), the recommended tongue weight range would now be 975lbs to 1,125lbs.... still much higher than the 490lbs that you have available (and we haven't accounted for the WDH weight of approx. 50lbs).

Unless you can remove at least 600lbs from your TV (or find that the TV's GVWR is higher than 7,200lbs) I don't see any way of staying within your TV's GVWR with the 284BHS under loaded conditions. Also, the combined TV/TT weight based on our 248BHS assumptions and your CAT scale weights is: (6,710lbs + 8,200lbs) = 14,910lbs ...., don't know if this is below your TV's specified GCWR.

Unfortunately most 1/2 ton TV's have limited payload capacity, but can have attractive Tow Ratings and/or GCWR's, but when it comes to towing the heavier TT's this is where most 1/2 tons fall short (payload capacity), and what RV sales folks tend to ignore.

Also, going to a higher rated WDH may address the heavier TT tongue weight, but it won't increase the payload capacity of one's TV. However, the WDH when properly adjusted will transfer "some" weight off the TV's rear axle back to the TT's axles, representing possibly 10% - 20% of the TT's tongue weight value..... not enough weight to help us here.

If I can provide further clarifications please don't hesitate to ask, because I know it takes awhile to noodle all these weights and how they relate to each other.

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What I found with our trailer was the tongue weight is very heavy, wanted to move it over a couple feet once in our driveway and thought I will just lower it on to he ball and move it over that way and I started lowering the trailer down and the truck kept going down I had to hook up my WDH bars to move it in my driveway. I think our unloaded tongue weight was 790 lbs from Jayco. Add 2-30lb propane tanks and 2-6volt batteries and the weight goes up. If you go down the road from the dealer Candan RV has lots of ex rental trucks for sale I believe Traveland also owns Candan, maybe you can work a double deal out. Traveland also has a Ram 2500 for sale.
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Old 06-03-2013, 07:56 AM   #16
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Can I Tow this.......

As rustic eagle has pointed out above, the payload capacity is what gets you. I started a post last week about the same thing, and thanks to Eagle and others' helpful information, I found out I can't tow nearly as big a trailer as I thought I could with my 2013 ram 1500 (wanted the whitehawk 28 bunkhouse model). The manufacturers tow rating is pretty much misleading IMO....it all comes down to payload and tongue weight on the half tons is seems.

I don't know what the course of action is...smaller trailer or bigger tv?? My tv is only 3 months old...I checked into trading in on 3/4 ton diesel and needless to say, the numbers don't look to good, even though I got my tv at a great price and also put a chunk of cash down on it. Let us know what direction you end up going.
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Even if you could tow this trailer, you would find that your truck's engine and drive train would be working way too hard, especially if hills are involved. You would be alot happier with a 3/4 ton with the Eagle.
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