Jayco RV Owners Forum
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 06-01-2013, 08:17 PM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 27
Can I Tow this.......

Hello everybody. My wife and I had a nightmare of a time with our new 2013 whitehawk 28dsbh but now are looking for something else. The dealer decided to let us get out of our trailer into something else. They have a Jayco Eahle 284BH thatwe fell in love with. The only thing is the dry weight is 7, 400 and our max tow capacity on our 2010 Lariat F-150 is 9, 500lbs. Can anyone tell me if I am crazy or is this do-able????
__________________

pjsteve99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2013, 08:49 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Myrtle Beach, SC
Posts: 1,261
Yea umm.. I would get a 2500 TV or a lighter trailer. Thats really pushing it with added gear/gas/people etc..
__________________

exjay1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2013, 08:56 PM   #3
Moderator Emeritus
 
Rustic Eagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,371
I assume you mean 284BHS, not 284BH (?) Please advise.

IMO once you have the 284BHS loaded you may find that you run out F-150 Payload Capacity to support the Eagle's "loaded" tongue weight, along with the possibility of going over your F-150 GVWR.

Please confirm the Eagle model/model designation, then I would be glad to run the weight numbers for you. Is the 7,400lbs the UVW, or the Ship Weight identified on the yellow sticker?

Please note that a TV's published Tow Rating weight (ie; 9,500lbs) is based on the curb weight of the same base vehicle model, one has to subtract the combined weights of the TV's options, passengers, cargo from the published Tow Rating to get the actual Tow Rating. https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...uot-Tow-Rating

Bob
__________________

2016 GM 2500HD 6.0L/4.10
2018 Jay Flight 24RBS
2005 Jayco Eagle 278FBS (retired)
1999 Jayco Eagle 246FB (retired)
Reese HP Dual Cam (integrated sway control)
Rustic Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2013, 09:47 PM   #4
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 27
Its a 14 JAYCO EAGLE 284BHS EAGLE
pjsteve99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2013, 10:09 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Central California
Posts: 2,243
IMO that's too much for your F150. I would think you will exceed TV payload and possibly GCVWR. Best thing you can do is get your F150 actual weight loaded and ready to go then do the math using either the eagle's GVWR or something realistic between the actual ship weight and the GVWR, not the dry weight on h brochure.
__________________
2007 Chevy Duramax LMM/Allison
2012 Jay Flight 29QBH
2012 Jay Flight 26BH (Sold)
clubhouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2013, 01:11 AM   #6
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustic Eagle View Post
I assume you mean 284BHS, not 284BH (?) Please advise.

IMO once you have the 284BHS loaded you may find that you run out F-150 Payload Capacity to support the Eagle's "loaded" tongue weight, along with the possibility of going over your F-150 GVWR.

Please confirm the Eagle model/model designation, then I would be glad to run the weight numbers for you. Is the 7,400lbs the UVW, or the Ship Weight identified on the yellow sticker?

Please note that a TV's published Tow Rating weight (ie; 9,500lbs) is based on the curb weight of the same base vehicle model, one has to subtract the combined weights of the TV's options, passengers, cargo from the published Tow Rating to get the actual Tow Rating. https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...uot-Tow-Rating

Bob
So Bob...whats your final verdict. The dealer will alow me to take the tt out for a spin before buying. I do plan on upgrading my tv in the next year or so and dont want to make the mistake of buying the wrong trailer and losing big time on a trade in a couple years. I think I can make it work. I am looking to upgrade my wd hitch and add sway control. Take care and thanks for the advice.
pjsteve99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2013, 05:27 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
RoyBraddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: King George
Posts: 2,397
I think your F150 max towing ratings depends on your truck engine, the model, and the rear gear ratios. Your F150 also has to have the towing package option which has the HD transmission cooling, trailer brake package, etc

Goto http://www.ford.com/assets/pdf/towin...vF150sep09.pdf

My 2010 FX4 F150 door sticker says GVWR 7200Lbs Front GAWR 3900lbs and rear GAWR 3850lbs

Using the Ford F150 Towing Guide above issued by Ford Motor Company for all the options on my 2010 FX4 F150 truck it says my maximum loaded Trailer weight (lbs) - automatic transmission should be 11,200. I have no idea why this is alot different from what my door sticker says....

However after seeing these number I think you still are stuck with the F150 suspension, durability of the rear ends, etc... These are different then the F250 and up ratings.

Old school tells me the max you can "safely" tow with a F150 Ford truck is around 7500lbs loaded. The word SAFELY means going up and especially down long hill grades...

My 2010 FX4 F150 tows my scale weighed 4200lb loaded Off-Road POPUP just fine and gets great gas mileage... My F150 truck seems to get the same gas mileage whether I am towing my trailer or not.

Just my thoughts
Roy Ken
__________________
Roy and Carolyn
I claim Horse Creek Country in Southern Ill - Momabear is from North Texas
We live in King George VA
RETIRED DOD DOAF DON CONTRACTOR Electronics Tech 42YRS

"We're burning daylight" - John Wayne
2008 STARCRAFT 14RT OFF-ROAD POPUP with PD9260C and three 85AH 12VDC batteries
2010 F150 FX4 5.4 GAS with 3.73 gears - Super Cab - Towing Package - 2KW Honda EU2000i Gen
K9PHT (since 1957) 146.52Mhz
"We always have a PLAN B"
RoyBraddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2013, 08:53 AM   #8
Moderator Emeritus
 
Rustic Eagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,371
Quote:
Originally Posted by pjsteve99 View Post
Its a 14 JAYCO EAGLE 284BHS EAGLE
Jayco's web site only has the 2013 284BHS weight specifications reflecting a published 6,510lb UVW & 9,000lb GVWR. Since you mentioned that the 2014 284BHS is on the dealer's lot, I will assume the 7,400lb dry weight you stated earlier is off the TT's yellow sticker which is reflecting it's actual Ship Weight (please advise if I'm incorrect), and I will also assume a 9,000lb GVWR for the 2014 284BHS.

Conservative example of a 248BHS loaded weights for a family of four, based on the above assumptions:

(7,400lb Ship Weight) + (100lbs RV Dealer; battery, etc.) + (700lbs cargo, tanks empty) = 8,200lbs Loaded Weight

(13% to 15%) of 8,200lbs = 1,066lbs to 1,230lbs Loaded Tongue Weight recommended for a 32ft TT.

Depending on your personal family loading habits, your actual cargo loaded weight may differ. My Eagle TT loaded weight is 8,400lbs and I have a loaded tongue weight of 1,300lbs.

Since you have the F-150, and to eliminate any payload capacity assumptions, take your "loaded" F-150 (full fuel, passengers, cargo, etc.) to a CAT scale and weigh it (about $10, valuable data to know). Subtract the CAT scale gross weight from the GVWR posted on the driver's door of your F150..., the remaining weight is what you have available for the combined weights of the TT loaded tongue weight, WDH, and any other weight not accounted for at the CAT scale.

Manufacture published Tow Ratings, please refer to my earlier post.

Hope this helps.

Bob
__________________

2016 GM 2500HD 6.0L/4.10
2018 Jay Flight 24RBS
2005 Jayco Eagle 278FBS (retired)
1999 Jayco Eagle 246FB (retired)
Reese HP Dual Cam (integrated sway control)
Rustic Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2013, 09:06 AM   #9
Moderator Emeritus
 
Rustic Eagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,371
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyBraddy View Post
snip........ Using the Ford F150 Towing Guide above issued by Ford Motor Company for all the options on my 2010 FX4 F150 truck it says my maximum loaded Trailer weight (lbs) - automatic transmission should be 11,200. I have no idea why this is alot different from what my door sticker says.... snip
Didn't know Ford was putting Tow Ratings (maximum trailer weight) on their door stickers, just curious, what is the Tow Rating on your door sticker?

Bob
__________________

2016 GM 2500HD 6.0L/4.10
2018 Jay Flight 24RBS
2005 Jayco Eagle 278FBS (retired)
1999 Jayco Eagle 246FB (retired)
Reese HP Dual Cam (integrated sway control)
Rustic Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2013, 02:47 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dripping Springs
Posts: 153
from another thread:

" All I can say is that my experience with a 2011 Chevy Silverado rated to 7000 GVWR is that it sounded more than ample until I got it on the CAT scale. When I saw the "unloaded" weight of my truck with me, another passenger and a full tank of gas was 6620 lbs, I knew I would be in trouble throwing another 975 lbs tongue weight of a fully loaded White Hawk onto the truck, without adding in anything that most of us would throw into the bed of a truck for a long camping trip. My solution: see my new signature. It cost me about $9500 to upgrade, but I will have much more peace of mind when crossing the Rockies this August. (Re: your question on the WD hitch, Jayco says they use 13% of the maximum trailer weight, which on the 27DSRL is 7500 lbs, meaning 975 lbs transfers to the TV, at least in our case.) "

My advice: take your TV to the nearest CAT scale and see what it really weighs. Once you know that, you will then be able to figure out the weight you can put on it. I took our TV to two CAT scales, one showed it weighed 6620 lbs, the other 6920. Even using the lower one put the 1/2 ton well over its GVWR when adding the 975 lbs of a fully loaded TT to it. And, when shopping for the new TV, I talked with more than a few Chevy/GMC salesfolks, NONE of them came close to guessing the true weight of the 2011 Silverado half-ton.

Last note: if you're only taking short trips a few miles from home and not crossing ranges with 10K' passes, you likely can get by for a while. With care. We plan to make multiple trips across the Rockies, so I bit the bullet and upgraded the TV. As always, YMMV.
__________________

__________________
Mike

2014 Chevrolet Silverado 3500HD Crew Cab, long box, Duramax and 3.73, SRW
Equal-i-zer 1k WDH, 2013 White Hawk 27DSRL

Los Madrones, a little slice of Texas hill country heaven
www.losmadrones.com
mikmurphy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Virginia State Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2002-2016 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.