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Old 07-16-2019, 06:50 AM   #1
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Can this truck handle this fifth wheel or should I go to a 3500?

truck - https://www.benchmarkchryslerjeepdod...c53f322499.htm

Fifth Wheel - https://www.jayco.com/products/fifth...wheel/317rlok/ -
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) -
10680
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs)
1983
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs)
12825
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs)
2315

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When I looked that up your payload had a minimum of 2154. Which does not leave room for a lot of extra weight your pin would use. I am NOT a 5er so that is all I know to look for. Would you have to order this or is it on the lot for you to see the actual stickers on the door?
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:03 AM   #3
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Sorry but the answer is that you will be over the available payload capacity of the truck. A diesel engine in a 3/4 ton truck eats up a lot of the available payload capacity compared to a gas engine. If you want a diesel step up to a 1 ton and you should be fine.

If that website is correct the listed payload for the truck is 2310lbs. The lowest pin weight on that trailer will likely be around 2000lbs before adding anything to it. Expect 2500lbs or more pin weight after adding batteries, propane and all your other camping gear. You really need a truck with 3000+ lbs of payload for that trailer to be safe on all numbers.

3500lbs or more would be good especially if you have a family with you as each passenger and everything else you add to the truck eats into your available payload. And if you load that trailer up the pin weight could approach 3000lbs fully loaded to GVWR.

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Thanks, I already have the fifth wheel, but it sits on a RV lot we own. We are looking for a truck that can tow this safely and comfortably. I have a 2001 2500 Dodge Ram with a Cummins now that managed to get it to the lot. We expect to do more travel with it in the coming years, but I really did not want to go to a 1 ton if I could help it. Thanks for the feedback
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Overloaded? Go see your truck suspension specialist.

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Is that a F250?
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Your unloaded pin weight is 18% of unloaded VW. therefore your max loaded pin weight is going to be 12825 * 0.18 = 2381#

You will be overloaded for your chosen truck. get a longbed 3500.
the cost difference between a 2500 and 3500 is marginal.
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Old 07-18-2019, 04:34 PM   #8
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Overloaded? Go see your truck suspension specialist.

Buy a FORD !!!

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I'm sure you had to with that FW, and a F-250.
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:25 PM   #9
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truck - https://www.benchmarkchryslerjeepdod...c53f322499.htm

Fifth Wheel - https://www.jayco.com/products/fifth...wheel/317rlok/ -
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) -
10680
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs)
1983
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs)
12825
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs)
2315

Appreciate the assistance. TIA
Empty pin weight for the Jayco 5th wheel in your link is approx. 2k. Loaded for the road, odds are it'll increase to 2,500 lbs.--maybe even higher.

If the 2019 Ram 2500 is like the 2014-2018 Ram 2500's, your RAWR is going to be ~6,500 lbs. (with 18"-20" wheels). Empty rear axle weight is going to be around ~3,100 lbs. That leaves you with ~3,400 lbs. of rear axle capacity. Yes, you'll be over the GVWR if you load ~3,400 lbs. on the rear axle, but remember the 10k GVWR on the 2500's is purposely lower than the truck's actual capacity for licensing/registration purposes only. Yes, there's a lot of debate on this issue, but the axle ratings speak for themselves. If you choose to stay under this truck's GVWR you'll be limited to approx. ~2,100 lbs. of payload or rear axle capacity---less than what you need to tow the Jayco.

If you don't buy into the above argument, then your only choice to stay under GVWR is to purchase a '19 Ram 3500 SRW (with a ~11,800 lb. GVWR). Basically the same truck as the Ram 2500 except it has leaf springs and a ~7,000 RAWR (vs. a ~6,500 RAWR and coil springs on the Ram 2500). The 3500 SRW will give you 3,500 - 4,000 lbs. of payload or rear axle capacity (actual rating depends on trim level--higher trim, less payload) while still being at or under GVWR.

~ = approx. Ratings have changed a few hundred lbs. from 2018 to 2019.

Yes, decisions, decisions, decisions. Good luck with whatever you choose
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Is that a F250?
Check this sir:

https://www.ford.com/services/assets...Duty&year=2019

Payload numbers are toward end of the brochure.

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I have a Ram 3500 CC SRW Longbed. I have 4200 # of payload. Skip the 2500. You won't regret it. If you don't want the long bed, that's fine. But go for the 3500. Trust me, you will regret the 2500, especially if it's a Ram.
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I love my 2018 Ram 2500 with rear coils, my pin weight is 1900 loaded, and only squats 1", but I would not want a fifth wheel that weighed over 12k max.
I think you will be happier with a 1 ton SRW or DRW with that rv.
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Going to echo the sentiment that a diesel in a 3/4 ton sucks up a lot of payload - i'd wager you won't have enough left over for that at 18-20% GVWR. Get the payload sticker from the door for the truck to be sure though - do not go by any payload links off manufacture websites. They are all based on the basic minimums for the vehicle and will not include options. The payload sticker will be calculated based on the weight of the truck when it left the factory. This doesn't include dealer installed options, so the most accurate is the scales, but tough to get before you buy the truck.

We have a 3/4 gasser with ~2650lb payload per the sticker. Even that is almost too close for me for your 5er, but likely under the limits.

If i had to recommend something, i'd also say go for the 1 ton SRW - should be fine for that trailer.
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The payload on my 2017 Ram 2500 4x4 with the 6.4L Hemi is 3300#. With the 4.10 g/r the tow rating is 15,630#. Properly equipped a 2500 would handle the trailer but I had to look to find one that was so equipped.

All that is great but if I had the choice to make for that 5er I'd go with a 3500 DRW. It never hurts to have extra capacity and the stability with the DRW was nice when I had one.
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Go with the 3500 either short or long bed.
The body is the same on a 2500 & 3500.

But the 3500 gives you a safety margin
and the 1 ton brakes/suspension is stronger.

Make sure you get a truck with at least a 3:73 gear ratio.

I own a 2012 Dodge Ram 3500 diesel 4x4, 4 door, 6.5 foot bed with a B&w slider hitch.

On mostly flat terrain I get between 10.5 to 11.5 mpg. With hills it averages 9.5 to 10.5.

Big deal for me is mine does not use DEF fluid, just a added expense with 2013 or newer diesels of all brands.

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Go to a site called Towing Guide
They list all truck towing limits for tt and 5vers. The Law is based on your gross weight Not your unloaded weight. You should be under your vehicle max by 20% when fully loaded! Safety 1st
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Go to a site called Towing Guide

They list all truck towing limits for tt and 5vers. The Law is based on your gross weight Not your unloaded weight. You should be under your vehicle max by 20% when fully loaded! Safety 1st
Here is the link. http://www.trailerlife.com/trailer-towing-guides/
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Thanks, I already have the fifth wheel, but it sits on a RV lot we own. We are looking for a truck that can tow this safely and comfortably. I have a 2001 2500 Dodge Ram with a Cummins now that managed to get it to the lot. We expect to do more travel with it in the coming years, but I really did not want to go to a 1 ton if I could help it. Thanks for the feedback
I see lots of 3/4 ton trucks pulling this type of load. Yes it's over weight. Yes the truck can handle it. I would say if you are going to be traveling across the country, or have an annual trip 3 states away you will be much happier with a dual rear wheel drive. If you are doing local trips throughout the year within a couple hundred miles, I'm not sure I would want to upgrade to the dually for that.

I pull a 16,000lb 5th wheel with a 3500 single rear wheel. The weights are within the truck specs. The drive is okay. If I was towing outside the state, I would have the dually.

PS- my dodge ram has the 3.42 rear end. It pulls great.
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Overloaded? Go see your truck suspension specialist.

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So you are blown out on payload by at least what, 1000lbs? What suspension mods have you done?
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Is that a F250?
Yes F-250 with added leaf's and Timbren's.

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