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Old 08-17-2017, 08:28 AM   #1
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Can this truck tow this Fifth Wheel without issues?

Looking at purchasing this truck:
2017 Ram 2500 SLT For Sale | Birmingham AL - towing capacity states 17,140 lbs.

This is the 5th wheel I am looking at towing:
https://www.jayco.com/products/fifth...nnacle/37mdqs/

I am hoping this truck can handle this 5th wheel. Can someone advise please?

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Old 08-17-2017, 08:43 AM   #2
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The truck will do a fine job pulling it. The only problem is the payload of that truck states 2320 lbs on the website, if you believe the dealer specs. The 'dry' hitch weight of the fifth wheel is 3130 lbs even before adding anything. I'd look hard at a 3500 dually if you're set of that fifth wheel.
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Old 08-17-2017, 09:17 AM   #3
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Ditto what Nisbitch said.
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Power train is not the issue with the TV. As stated it's the payload and suspension setup that you will struggle with in a 2500.

I would go with a minimum 3500 package in any of the 3 brands available. SRW is adequate, but IMHO a dually is a more stable setup. That's my opinion having a rig over 40ft with a pin weight north of 3K.
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Agree with everyone else - payload of the truck is the primary concern.

GVWR of the FW = 16,995, best to use that as estimating worst case pin weight.
With pin weight between 20% - 23% that would be 3,399# - 3,908#, which is already well over the stated 2,320# payload without taking into consideration the added loading of other passengers, FW hitch, and other cargo.

I previously had a GMC 2500HD D/A and after weighting the truck as loaded for a trip w/ full fuel tank, my payload was only 1,200 (it's GVWR was 9,200#).

So I would guess that the actual payload of the truck you listed will be less then the 2,320# stated on the web page.

As 3'senough indicated, a 3500 SRW would be adequate, a 3500 DRW would be more stable, giving you more payload capacity.

See FW & TV in sig. TV is a 3500 SRW, it pulls great, but I'm also at my limit of payload of the TV wrt TV's GVWR and GRAWR.

Hope this helps, but probably not what you wanted to hear.
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Old 08-17-2017, 12:32 PM   #6
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So I really did not want to go with a dually although I know that would be ideal. I have a smaller Jayco 5th wheel currently, a 29.5 BHDS and it sits on an RV lot I own. The only times I plan on towing is when I need to take it in for yearly maintenance or service that may come up. So hoping this truck will do for whenever we upgrade to the Pinnacle. Towing would be minimal.
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I consider my trailer at the limit of what I would pull with a 3/4T. And I still had to add overload springs. The suspension just is not up to it.

If it were me I'd at least get a long bed 1T SRW setup. But, I'd rather have a dually.

That's the real problem with bigger fivers and one reason we like living in our smaller one (yes, FT in a 35ft trailer).
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So I really did not want to go with a dually although I know that would be ideal. I have a smaller Jayco 5th wheel currently, a 29.5 BHDS and it sits on an RV lot I own. The only times I plan on towing is when I need to take it in for yearly maintenance or service that may come up. So hoping this truck will do for whenever we upgrade to the Pinnacle. Towing would be minimal.
As others have said, with the Pinnacle you'd have too much trailer or not enough truck. Minimal towing is still towing.
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Ok, well you guys are very, very helpful. So I have to replace my truck and will obviously rethink the Pinnacle until I am willing to go dually. I was looking at the Ram 2500, but may see if I can find a 1500 that will tow the Eagle HT 29.5 BHDS to save money
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My 17 ram 3500 4x4, 68rfe auto trans, 3.42 gearing, bighorn, long bed, crew cab has a payload of 4365 per the yellow sticker on the door frame for reference on a Ram 3500 SRW. The 3500 was only about $500 more than the same in the 2500 when I bought mine. I was on the fence between the two and for $500 more I went for the significantly higher payload since my trailer etc was going to make the 2500 very close on payload.
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I wasn't saying you have to have a dually, I think a 3500 in any config will suffice, DRW or SRW. Dually just provides a larger footprint, stability IMHO. Yes some axle ratings are larger too, but you should get there in a SRW as well.

Main thing you need to look at is GVWR and payload for the specific truck you buy. 2500 is just not that class of vehicle under most, if not all configs for what you want to haul.
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I would pass on that truck and get a 3500 SRW and make sure it has the optional towing mirrors! My nearly identical truck to that one easily handles around 2,000# payload but it puts me over the GVW of 10,000#. To technically be legal with the Pinnacle, you will need the same truck in a 3500.

What are you driving now and why do you need to upgrade with that truck?
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I'll give you some real world numbers to consider. I have a 2017 Pinnacle 38 REFS. It has the same GVWR as the model you are looking at but it has a lower pin weight and weighs less from the factory in real-world trim.

I have a 2017 Ford F-350 SRW SB 4X4 6.7. Last week I took the entire rig to the CAT scale fully loaded and ready for camping. I don't have the weight slips in front of me but the bottom line was this:

I exceeded my trucks GVWR (I knew I would).

I was under my trucks rear axle and more importantly TIRE max weight ratings - But not by much

I was under the GCVWR by several thousand pounds.

IMHO you may find the the CCC of that particular trailer is fairly low. My actual trailer weighed 14,500 from the factory despite what is listed on the Jayco website. Add a second A/C, awning, toppers, etc and your CCC will drop below 2000 LBS. just something to consider.

As far as a truck....Forget the 3/4 ton. You will need at least a 1 ton and even at that I think that particular trailer will push you over on the tires....Could be close though.

Having said that....I just pulled my rig for 8 hours - In the rain - and it performed flawlessly. Never once did it feel like too much trailer for the truck.....For the record....I added disc brakes as soon as I took delivery.
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I wouldn't get a 1500 for any 5er. Even though it says 1/2 ton towable I wouldn't do it. Just not enough payload on most 1500's.
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I just cannot say never for a 1/2T and a fiver. There are plenty of 1/2T truck and fifth wheel conbinations that work. You just have to find the right one.

NO, the advertised "Half Ton towable" label by mfgs is simply wrong and could be considered a case for a lawsuit if someone wanted to push it.

And, the SPECIFIC truck has a lot to do with it. Look at the different models and how much variety there is in cargo and towing capacities. Just saying, 'I have a Ford F150, can I tow this?' is not enough information. Same with 3/4T and 1T SRW trucks. Things like cab configuration, bed length, 2WD vs 4WD, engine and transmission options, even size of fuel tank, all have a bearing on what you can tow.
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Ok, you all have been great. I currently have a 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins. Transmission went out so I was was gonna just buy another truck to be able to tow the future fifth wheel, the Pinnacle my wife fell in love with. After digesting all of this, I am electing to just replace the transmission in it as it tows my current Eagle HT just fine and the engine runs great still, 233k miles on it. I will save up for the next couple of years as I near retirement and bite the bullet on a big rig and Pinnacle (or whatever suits her at the time ) when I can. Thanks folks, this site is great.
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Freeriver, sounds like a wise decision.
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We ran into same kind of decision when our turbo decided to not work well (only 110k mi). Finally just decided to go with a new turbo instead of a new truck.
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