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Old 01-20-2014, 11:53 AM   #1
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CAT Scale Results

OK, so I finally got a chance to weigh everything... Here we go:

Tow Vehicle = 2012 GMC Sierra 1500 CC, 5.3L LMG, 2WD, 3.42 (HD Tow Package)
GVWR=6,800; GAWR FRT=3,650; GAWR RR=3,950

Travel Trailer = 2014 Jay Flight 28BHBE
GVWR=9,250; Yellow Sticker=7,049

Weigh 1: Truck with full gas and me.
Steer Axle: 3300
Drive Axle: 2300
Total: 5600
Add DW, Wondermutt, misc belongings = 300
Est. Total = 5900

Weigh 2: Truck with TT connected, WDH bars disengaged
Steer Axle: 2900
Drive Axle: 3680
Trailer Axle: 6660
Total: 13240

Weigh 3: Truck with TT connected, WDH bars engaged
Steer Axle: 3200
Drive Axle: 3260
Trailer Axle: 6780
Total: 13240

Results:
Trailer Weight: 7640
Tongue Weight: 980 (/7640=12.8%)
TV GVW w/TT: 6760

Notes:
I'm a little surprised at how much under my GAWRs I am. The trailer is a bit lighter than I expected, but that's fine. That makes the tongue a bit lighter than expected, which is really good. I'm pretty close on GVW in the truck, but once I burn some gas, that gets better We don't put any gear in the truck. I need to tweak the hitch to add 100 lbs to the front axle to get it back to where it is unloaded, but after initial setup using a tape measure on the fenders, I'd say that's pretty good.

The towing experience with this truck and trailer is generally positive. If I'm level, I can pull comfortably at 65 mph and get about 10 mpg. Virtually no sway issues aside from the occasional wiggle from a cross wind or a big rig passing. In the hills, I drop to 60 mph or even 55 and spend most of my time well below 3000 RPM; fuel economy drops to 6-8 if it's really hilly and/or while towing into a good wind. My transmission has never been higher than 190 degrees while towing.

Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised, and very happy that now I KNOW what my weights are.
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Old 01-20-2014, 02:17 PM   #2
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Great CAT feedback, and it will be helpful to others to see all the information it provides (i.e.; proper weight distribution via WDH adjustment, etc.)....., and your results appear to be spot-on.

The fact that you have a 2WD works in your favor in respect to available Payload Capacity. Of course you also found what most 1/2 ton owners find, Payload Capacity (GVWR) can be used up rapidly. Your data also confirms that a 1,000lb rated WDH (minimum) would be ideal based on your results.

The Jay Flight 28 BHBE has a published UVW of 6,495lbs, but your actual Ship Weight was 7,049lbs per your yellow sticker....... a 554lb "added" difference. It's apparent that you understand the importance of the ship weight data noted on the TT's yellow sticker........, unfortunately some folks can be mislead by the published UVW's (web sites, brochures, etc.).

Thanks again for posting your results.

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Old 01-20-2014, 03:02 PM   #3
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Yeah, I knew I was going to be close on payload capacity. That's one of the reasons EVERYTHING goes in the trailer except the normal items we would carry on us anyway like purses and such. I was also pleasantly surprised at how little weight we put in the trailer. I was thinking we would have put closer to 1,000 lbs on top of the factory ship weight for a TT weight closer to 8,000. I told DW to go easy putting weight in the trailer because I knew we would be at our maximums; looks like it worked!
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Old 01-20-2014, 03:10 PM   #4
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OK, so I finally got a chance to weigh everything... Here we go:

Tow Vehicle = 2012 GMC Sierra 1500 CC, 5.3L LMG, 2WD, 3.42 (HD Tow Package)
GVWR=6,800; GAWR FRT=3,650; GAWR RR=3,950

Travel Trailer = 2014 Jay Flight 28BHBE
GVWR=9,250; Yellow Sticker=7,049

Weigh 1: Truck with full gas and me.
Steer Axle: 3300
Drive Axle: 2300
Total: 5600
Add DW, Wondermutt, misc belongings = 300
Est. Total = 5900

Weigh 2: Truck with TT connected, WDH bars disengaged
Steer Axle: 2900
Drive Axle: 3680
Trailer Axle: 6660
Total: 13240

Weigh 3: Truck with TT connected, WDH bars engaged
Steer Axle: 3200
Drive Axle: 3260
Trailer Axle: 6780
Total: 13240

Results:
Trailer Weight: 7640
Tongue Weight: 980 (/7640=12.8%)
TV GVW w/TT: 6760

Notes:
I'm a little surprised at how much under my GAWRs I am. The trailer is a bit lighter than I expected, but that's fine. That makes the tongue a bit lighter than expected, which is really good. I'm pretty close on GVW in the truck, but once I burn some gas, that gets better We don't put any gear in the truck. I need to tweak the hitch to add 100 lbs to the front axle to get it back to where it is unloaded, but after initial setup using a tape measure on the fenders, I'd say that's pretty good.

The towing experience with this truck and trailer is generally positive. If I'm level, I can pull comfortably at 65 mph and get about 10 mpg. Virtually no sway issues aside from the occasional wiggle from a cross wind or a big rig passing. In the hills, I drop to 60 mph or even 55 and spend most of my time well below 3000 RPM; fuel economy drops to 6-8 if it's really hilly and/or while towing into a good wind. My transmission has never been higher than 190 degrees while towing.

Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised, and very happy that now I KNOW what my weights are.
FYI, Cat scales are usually set to weigh a couple of hundred pounds heavy.
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FYI, Cat scales are usually set to weigh a couple of hundred pounds heavy.
Well, that's good for me! Would mean I have a few lbs to spare! Though I read somewhere the tolerance is +/- 40 lbs...
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Old 01-20-2014, 05:09 PM   #6
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CAT Scale Accuracy:

CAT Scale (Digital)
Fairbanks Scales
Capacity: 200,000 pounds,
Division: 20 pounds

Accuracy: HB 44, Class III L
Ī20 lb (2,500 lb)
Ī20 lb (10,000 lb)
Ī40 lb (20,000 lb)

Source: http://fifthwheelst.com/commercial-t...ighing-rvs.htm

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Camper Bob, here's another set of results from our rig, which is a slightly different setup, in hopes it might help someone else considering their options and TV abilities. My tow vehicle is a GMC Sierra 1500HD and has a bit higher payload and trailer tow weight capacity, but still has limits that make the 28BHBE a bit tight. I followed your lead and here are my results...

Tow Vehicle = 2007 GMC Sierra 1500HD CC, 6.0L, 2WD, 3.73 (HD Tow Package)
GVWR=8,600; GAWR FRT=4,410; GAWR RR=6,000, GCWR = 14,000

Travel Trailer = 2016 Jay Flight 28BHBE
GVWR=9,250; Yellow Sticker=6,961

Weigh 1: Truck with full cargo and 4 passengers.
Steer Axle: 3480
Drive Axle: 3120
Total: 6600

Weigh 2: Truck with TT connected, WDH bars disengaged
Steer Axle: 3160
Drive Axle: 4200
Trailer Axle: 7300
Total: 14660

Weigh 3: Truck with TT connected, WDH bars engaged
Steer Axle: 3380
Drive Axle: 3920
Trailer Axle: 7400
Total: 14700

Results (with WD bars):
Trailer Weight: 8100
Tongue Weight: 700 (/8100=8.6%)
TV GVW w/TT: 7300

A couple of other notes..

We added a Jayco hitch on our trailer, and weighed with 4 bikes on a Yakima trailer hitch bike rack. That no doubt puts quite a bit of rear weight, and lowers the tongue weight.

Overall, we are within the individual specs, but over the GCWR by about 700lbs. I donít like that. I will say that our truck pulled the trailer ok in third gear, around 60-65mph here in MI where we have limited steep inclines. That put the RPMS around 2600-2900, and I get about 7.5MPG with all of the temps staying well below any red levels.

This is definitely not the ideal combo, but it is working ok at this point for us until we can upgrade our TV. I looked at a gas, Silverado 2500HD specs and while the capabilities do increase to a level that put us under the weight limits, the increased capabilities are not substantial enough to make me feel like Iíd see a huge difference in the performance. Our 1500HD is just more capable than most 1/2 tons from what I can see. I think a 3/4 or even 1 ton diesel will be my likely choice when I upgrade, so Iím ready for a 5th wheel which will be our next towable when our two boys graduate in about 5-6 years.

Hope this additional data might help someone considering their options! Thanks for posting your data too. That is great to compare!
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Old 08-13-2015, 10:24 AM   #8
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Camper Bob, here's another set of results from our rig, which is a slightly different setup, in hopes it might help someone else considering their options and TV abilities. My tow vehicle is a GMC Sierra 1500HD and has a bit higher payload and trailer tow weight capacity, but still has limits that make the 28BHBE a bit tight. I followed your lead and here are my results...

Tow Vehicle = 2007 GMC Sierra 1500HD CC, 6.0L, 2WD, 3.73 (HD Tow Package)
GVWR=8,600; GAWR FRT=4,410; GAWR RR=6,000, GCWR = 14,000

Travel Trailer = 2016 Jay Flight 28BHBE
GVWR=9,250; Yellow Sticker=6,961

Weigh 1: Truck with full cargo and 4 passengers.
Steer Axle: 3480
Drive Axle: 3120
Total: 6600

Weigh 2: Truck with TT connected, WDH bars disengaged
Steer Axle: 3160
Drive Axle: 4200
Trailer Axle: 7300
Total: 14660

Weigh 3: Truck with TT connected, WDH bars engaged
Steer Axle: 3380
Drive Axle: 3920
Trailer Axle: 7400
Total: 14700

Results (with WD bars):
Trailer Weight: 8100
Tongue Weight: 700 (/8100=8.6%)
TV GVW w/TT: 7300

A couple of other notes..

We added a Jayco hitch on our trailer, and weighed with 4 bikes on a Yakima trailer hitch bike rack. That no doubt puts quite a bit of rear weight, and lowers the tongue weight.

Overall, we are within the individual specs, but over the GCWR by about 700lbs. I donít like that. I will say that our truck pulled the trailer ok in third gear, around 60-65mph here in MI where we have limited steep inclines. That put the RPMS around 2600-2900, and I get about 7.5MPG with all of the temps staying well below any red levels.

This is definitely not the ideal combo, but it is working ok at this point for us until we can upgrade our TV. I looked at a gas, Silverado 2500HD specs and while the capabilities do increase to a level that put us under the weight limits, the increased capabilities are not substantial enough to make me feel like Iíd see a huge difference in the performance. Our 1500HD is just more capable than most 1/2 tons from what I can see. I think a 3/4 or even 1 ton diesel will be my likely choice when I upgrade, so Iím ready for a 5th wheel which will be our next towable when our two boys graduate in about 5-6 years.

Hope this additional data might help someone considering their options! Thanks for posting your data too. That is great to compare!
Thanks! That's great info!

I would have thought the 1500HD with 6.0L and 3.73 would do fantastic with this rig?

Anyway, it's good for reference and comparison. But full disclosure: I traded in my GMC on a RAM 2500 6.4L HEMI 4x4 in May 2015. The new truck has PLENTY of capacity, so I don't have to worry about being on the margin any more. It makes our trips MUCH more relaxing, the way they were meant to be!
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The new truck has PLENTY of capacity, so I don't have to worry about being on the margin any more. It makes our trips MUCH more relaxing, the way they were meant to be!
I want to have that sense too...so definitely will be doing an upgrade at some point in the next year or two! The 1500HD is ok, much better than a typical 1/2 ton, but still just on the edge and I simply don't want to have to worry about this every time I go out. I want to go and enjoy the trip as you're doing! You're right, that's the way it should be.
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Hey all. We are also interested in the 28bhbe but have a 1/2 ton1500 Silverado. Tow cap of 9200# and payload of 1730. I have the equalizer 4 point with sway control as my hitch setup and a brake controller. I looked at the yellow sticker on the trailer and it states 6970# with propane. We don't plan on doing any dry camping so we won't be carrying water and I honestly figure around 8000# loaded. I do not own the trailer yet so going to the CAT scales is not in the cards right now. I know I will probably be near the top of my payload limit. I have been asking every where about this trailer and I am getting opinions all over the place. Do I have enough truck to do this?! I had previously been towing an Aspen Trail 2810bhs but a tree fell on that and here we are😔 Please help!!!
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