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Old 08-21-2016, 10:06 PM   #1
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Chev 2500HD weights-North Point

I have search but could not find the info. Hopefully some here has input.

I have a 2016 Chev DC LWB 2500 HD, 6.0, 4:10 and I am looking at a 2017 North Point 315RLTS?

Any one towing such? Do I need to go lower weights/models?

Numbers look close to me?

Thanks in advance for your help,

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Old 08-22-2016, 12:08 AM   #2
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what is a chevy DC? Is the truck a dually or single rear wheel. That trailer weighs in at almost 12k,a standard 2500 HD 6.0 is rated for 14,500 towing capacity.Depending on what type of camping you plan on doing,like carrying water in tanks and so forth your gonna be working that engine pretty good.They are good motors and can handle the weight but towing it safely is another thing
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I have search but could not find the info. Hopefully some here has input.

I have a 2016 Chev DC LWB 2500 HD, 6.0, 4:10 and I am looking at a 2017 North Point 315RLTS?

Any one towing such? Do I need to go lower weights/models?

Numbers look close to me?

Thanks in advance for your help,

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Old 08-22-2016, 04:36 AM   #4
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Vic,

Welcome!!!

Good luck shopping!

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DC= double cab which is the old extended cab. All 2500HD's are srw unless someone modded the truck.
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Old 08-22-2016, 05:37 AM   #5
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The 2017 brochure says UVW is 11960, dry hitch is 2560, GVWR is 15250. This came from brochure on Jayco website.
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Old 08-22-2016, 05:48 AM   #6
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You are going to be way over on payload with that truck. With the GVWR of 15k for that camper your pin weight will be 3k when loaded. Add passengers, firewood, hitch, etc. to your truck and your remaining payload will probably be under 2k which isn't going to work with a 3k pin weight.

You want 3500 SRW with diesel to pull that camper and of course dually would be even better.
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you'll be over, that truck config isn't even able tow the North Point, it can only tow #14,100 at the fifth. According to Jayco's site that 5'er has a GVW of 15,250 and a dry pin weight of 2560, even with that rig empty, you'll be at your max payload and then some
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One thing a lot of people don't realize is a 2500 with a diesel (I know yours is gas) doesn't have a lot of payload capacity. A diesel engine and the heavy duty tranny add a lot of weight to the vehicle. 2500's are limited to a 10,000 GVWR so those extra pounds take away from the payload capacity. So say a 2500 diesel has 2000 payload capacity which includes a 150 lb driver. Add the driver's overage above 150 lbs, the passenger, kids, dogs, firewood, and hitch and you're around 1500 payload remaining which is what a 7500 lb fifth wheel would need. Sure you can add Timbrens or air bags but that doesn't change your door sticker.

For about $600 more it makes sense to get the 3500 SRW with the diesel. You'll gain about 2000 lbs. payload leaving you about 3500 lbs. when loaded which is about a 17,500 fifth wheel. Personally I would never pull at full capacity but on paper a 3500 gives you 10,000 more lbs. of fifth wheel over a 2500.
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Victor,

Welcome to JOF

As a very similar TV weight reference point; I have a 2016 Silverado Double Cab, LT, 6'-6" Box, 6.0L, 4:10 ..........., my CAT scale weights with, 200lb driver, full fuel, 250lbs cargo (no passengers):

Steer Axle: 3,940lbs (5,200lbs GAWR)

Drive Axle: 3,180lbs (6,200lbs GAWR)

Gross Weight: 7,120lbs (9,500lbs GVWR/per door sticker)

My available payload capacity: (9,500lbs - 7,120lbs) = 2,380lbs

"If" I had the 8ft box (like your 2500HD) the CAT weights would be a little heavier, not sure if the GVWR would increase to 10,000lbs (in lieu of my 9,500lbs), check your TV's door jam.

I tend to agree that your 2500HD will not have enough available payload capacity for the 315RLTS. Figure a FW "loaded" pin weight of 20% (up to 25%) of the FW's "loaded" gross weight.

Take your TV under loaded conditions to a CAT scale and weigh it...., working with "your" real TV weights eliminates the guess work when looking for a compatible TT or FW.

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Thanks for the info. Changing trucks is not an option. So switching to a Eagle 317RLOK, sticker on side says it weights 11805, with 1665, puts it at 12750,

Sound better?
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Victor,

Might be a typo, but I assume that your 11,805lbs should read 11,085lbs....., please confirm. But yes, your weights are heading in the right direction for the 2500HD.

With the 1,665lbs being the 'as-shipped' cargo capacity, then the 'as-shipped UVW would be 11,085lbs (12,750 - 1,665) ?

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Yes, typo, 11085 weight from factory, 1665 cargo for a total of 12, 750 GVWR.
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Victor,

Ok, thanks for the follow-up.

"Hypothetical" (conservative) 317RLOK loading: (11,085lb UVW + 800lb Cargo + No Water) = 11,885lbs loaded. At 11,885lbs loaded = 2,377b to 2,971lb loaded pin weight (20% to 25%). IMO around 20% seems to be mentioned often...., but we all have different loading habits.

As referenced in a prior post, don't forget to subtract the weight of a fifth wheel hitch from your TV's available payload capacity.

As mentioned, a TV CAT scale visit (if possible) is worth it's weight in gold in these type of discussions ..., only $9. The CAT will tell you if the 317RLOK is a good match based on "your" TV's available payload capacity and your anticipated FW loading.

I'm reluctant to say the 317RLOK is an ideal match not knowing your TV's available payload capacity and your FW loading habits (not saying it isn't possible)...., I hope the above info will help in your do-diligence.

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GM book says vehicle weight 6142, cargo carrying 3358, gross 9500

Will check Cat scales soon just to confirm.
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GM book says vehicle weight 6142, cargo carrying 3358, gross 9500

Will check Cat scales soon just to confirm.
Vic,

One way to get a better idea of your actual truck is to look in the drivers door jamb for the yellow sticker. Will state "All occupants and cargo not to exceed XXXXlbs".

What is this amount?

Remember, any accessories added will decrease the payload as well: step bars, push bar, bed liner, etc.

But that will give you a closer idea.

Good luck shopping!!!
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snip....... Will check Cat scales soon just to confirm.
Victor,

When you have the opportunity, please let us know what your 2500HD's CAT scale results are. I know it will be useful weight data for yourself, but others will also benefit when reviewing a JOF member's "actual" scaled weights based on one's specific loading and TV configuration...., can be very helpful.

Thanks in advance.

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Folks, I can't even imagine a dealer letting a potential buyer out the lot with a FW that they potential buyer doesn't own yet. Arnt these "get it weighed" discussions getting old? Every single thread of "can I pull such and such" are usually just the OP wanting to hear what they want to hear.

Without buying an RV, bringing it home, loading it, and then putting the family and the dog into the truck will any of these questions ever be properly answered.

Sorry to rant, I'll get off the soapbox now, but after a decade of these questions on this and other forums.... Aren't we all getting a bit tired?


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snip..... but after a decade of these questions on this and other forums.... Aren't we all getting a bit tired?.......snip
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I don't believe so..., and the JOF members willing to respond to the "new" JOF member's questions doesn't suggest otherwise.

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Victor,

When you have the opportunity, please let us know what your 2500HD's CAT scale results are. I know it will be useful weight data for yourself, but others will also benefit when reviewing a JOF member's "actual" scaled weights based on one's specific loading and TV configuration...., can be very helpful.

Thanks in advance.

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I believe I have posted my truck only weights before, but for reference in this thread for others here is the truck only weight:

2013 Chevy Silverado LT CCSB 4x4 6.0- Accessories are: cab high fiberglass topper, Line X liner, step bars. Weighed last July '15, so bed contents are from memory- tool box ~30lbs, firewood ~300lbs, and a few other odds and ends due to we had just picked up our 32 and not having everything (minor things) in the trailer (sewer hose for example, was in a garbage bag in the bed). It was my wife and I in the truck, our boys weren't with us.

FA: 4020lbs
RA: 3780lbs
7800lbs

Hopefully this helps others some!
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When I was shopping for a new Jayco, I knew exactly what my truck was capable of towing from previous trips to the scale.

I also knew the specs on the rig I was considering. What I was unsure of was what to expect for loaded weights on the new rig. You are correct, no dealer is going to let you do that, even though I did get them to lower the rig on my truck without pulling it.

I was able to get all the information from this forum on what to expect in a loaded weight and a pin weight, by asking others who were already doing what I wanted to do.

So maybe it does get repetitive at times but not to the guy with questions.

I say ask away and someone will be able to help. I know I worried about buying my current rigs matchup until I got confirmation from here that others were already doing it successfully.
Buying a new truck was not an option, nor was buying something that it could not safely pull.
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