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Old 01-06-2012, 10:53 PM   #1
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Cut off for 1/2 ton vs 3/4

My wife and I just ordered our first TT. We grew up with them and have been talking of getting one for years and finally pulled the trigger on a 28bhs. I have towed trailers and wagons for years around my family farm with my fathers 1/2 ton 1997 ram, this includes pulling his enclosed car hauler loaded with his 64 Falcons and Fairlane to shows around the midwest region. I am guessing the combined weight when hauling a car in his trailer is probably around 6500-7000lbs. He has a weight distribution system but no sway control. I have to say that there are many times when I am white knuckling it while loaded with a car.

Not wanting to always borrow his truck to go on vacation my wife and I are looking to get our own truck between now and our delivery date in March. We agree we want a crew cab to haul people and a shortbed to keep the length down but I am convinced I want a ton or better truck while my wife (never towed, but will learn once we have the trailer), as well as my father and our long time family friend/Ford salesman (grew up with my dad) say a ton is fine. I know my wife is looking at the price tags of the larger trucks and even in looking at 5 year old trucks anything with decent mileage still commands a hefty price, especially when thinking it would only be driven in limited fashion.

The truck would be used for severe winter driving (Mazda 3 gets great mileage but is weak in snow), pulling our camper on vacations and helping haul cars to shows. In other words it would be driven a little over a month or two every year. With my wife and I teaching our summers will be full of longer distance vacations. Which will mean the occasional mountain. Though I agree it would be fine pulling with a ton I do expect this would fatigue me over time.

My questions are:
Using weight distribution and sway control at what size travel trailer do most people feel they want to go to ton trucks?

Have trucks improved enough in the last few years at pulling that a 2005-08 ton will tow significantly better than a mid 90’s half ton?

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Old 01-07-2012, 07:55 AM   #2
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There's a great site on towing considerations that I found really good when I looked at my needs.

http://www.hitchinfo.com/index.cfm?e...ntpieceid=5143

What I would do is determine the pertinent weights for your 28BHS then get the real skinny on the truck(s) you're looking at. My own personal opinion is it's better to be conservative and have some headroom on the towing capacity than to be close to the limits.

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Old 01-07-2012, 09:58 AM   #3
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I tow a Jayco G2 23FB with my 2005 2500HD 6.0 410.1. My trailer weights 6000lb loaded including 2 6 volt golf cart batteries. My dry weight is approximately 1000 less than a 28BHS. I tow all over the country but the majority of our travels are in mountainous country (Rockies). I have towed with a 1/2 ton and a trailer weighing 5000lbs and it struggled in the mountains. The 3/4 ton does well at my present weight but would not want anything much heavier in this country.
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Old 01-07-2012, 10:08 AM   #4
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Benjamin,

Welcome to the Jayco forums.

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Using weight distribution and sway control at what size travel trailer do most people feel they want to go to ton trucks?
Tough question to answer "definitively" because we all have different expectations of our tow vehicles under similar towing conditions, and more importantly our loading habits differ. Not all 1/2 and 3/4 ton TV's are created equal, and not all TV Tow Ratings are accurate. The following thread will shed some light on this: https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthread.php?t=3866

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snip........ Have trucks improved enough in the last few years at pulling that a 2005-08 ton will tow significantly better than a mid 90’s half ton?.....snip
IMO, yes.., but "significantly" depends on what is important to you. I think the newer 1/2 ton's are a more comfortable TV to drive, and depending on which model/configuration may also have little more towing capacity than an older 1/2 ton.

The biggest short fall in most (not all) 1/2 tons is it's limited payload capacity, because the loaded TT tongue weight must be subtracted from the TV's payload capacity. Based on the 28BHS GVWR of 7,500lbs (heaviest condition) the desired loaded tongue weight would be 975lbs to 1,125lbs (13% to 15% of loaded TT weight).

IMO, based on your stated use of the TV, I would look for a used 3/4 ton truck for the extra payload capacity (in lieu of a 1/2 ton), and I think would work great for the car hauler as well. I believe that a 1/2ton will tow the 28BHS, but one should confirm loaded weights to confirm proper weight limits and weight distribution are in place since we all have different loading habits. Ideally, a 1/2 or 3/4 ton truck with at least a 3:75 rear gear would be desirable.

Hope this helps .

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Thanks for the info, Im going to look at the links and think hard on things. I really think I will find a way to get a 3/4 ton, but we are trying to find the impossible. I have trouble with the idea of paying more than 16 to 20Gs for more than about 75,000 miles and 4 or 5 years old. Since we are looking for crew cab with shortbed; but are not really too concerned with the trim level it means I have a chance at finding something. Im not one that needs the diesel, or v10 to prove anything, afterall most base level engines in the last few years are rated a lot stronger than even the largest engines just a few years ago. To me it is just the comfort of having a vehicle that does not feel the trailer when being passed by a semi or when trying to stop.
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I am wondering if the Ford Superduty Supercabs are large enough to put a backward facing carseat? My wife and I were thinking that we would need a crewcab, however, the Supercabs would save us some money if they are able to have rear facing carseats in the backseat.
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My 2009 F150 (5.4L) will tow 10K lbs easily. My trailer weighs 6K loaded and it tows it like it's not even there. Went over the Rockies 4 times since we've had it towing and I always had peddle left over and felt completely in control.
My last truck was a F250, I blew the turbos twice on it... towing the same trailer. So have they dramatically changed in the last few years? In my book they have.
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I am wondering if the Ford Superduty Supercabs are large enough to put a backward facing carseat? My wife and I were thinking that we would need a crewcab, however, the Supercabs would save us some money if they are able to have rear facing carseats in the backseat.
I think that the super cab will be a little short for car seats. Take a car seat to a dealer and check it out.
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I think that the super cab will be a little short for car seats. Take a car seat to a dealer and check it out.
Unless you plan on trading every few years, keep in mind those little ones in the car seats are going to grow like weeds and need more room.
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When I upgraded to my 28BHS I was towing with a 1999 1500 Suburban 5.7L, while it was adequate I felt fine towing within the state. However we were planning longer trips and I knew I needed something bigger. Don't forget it's not just the towing capacity. I was wearing out my front brakes alot faster and using more trailer brake. The WD hitch also made a big difference because of the lighter suspention in the 1500. So we bit the bullet and bought the 2007 2500 Yukon XL with the 6.0 3.73 gears. It was night and day between the two trucks. Body sway was reduced and the bounces on rough roads were smoothed out. I can now accelerate going up hill. A pick-up was not considered since we have 3 kids and to keep the driver sane everyone gets split up so there are no space violations! Just my 2 cents worth, never regreted it.

I bought it in 2010 with 65000 miles on it
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