Diesel vs. Gas

[robo59097]

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...o-hd-2020.html


New, more powerful 6.6L V-8 gas engine with direct injection for greater performance and stronger trailering capability with 22 percent more torque and up to 18 percent more towing compared to previous 6.0L gas engine.

[curver900]

Originally Posted by robo59097

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...o-hd-2020.html


New, more powerful 6.6L V-8 gas engine with direct injection for greater performance and stronger trailering capability with 22 percent more torque and up to 18 percent more towing compared to previous 6.0L gas engine.

not a chevy or a ford or a dodge guy but the new 7.3L Ford motor is going to make the 6.6L look like 4 cyl... and what is up with the lack of towing mirrors on the new chevy's??? sigh... I guess when I need a new truck it I will go back to furds...

Ford will also offer the 2020 Super Duty with an all-new gasoline engine option, a big-block 7.3L V-8 that will act as a middle child between the revised diesel and the carryover base 6.2L V-8. Ford says to expect best-in-class gasoline torque and power from the optional engine, codenamed Godzilla—and who else loves that a 7.3L V-8 is once again available in the biggest F-Series retail truck? With variable valve timing and piston-cooling oil jets on board, expect reasonable efficiency and reliability from the big gasser as well.

[robo59097]

Lots of options in 2020, Ram 6.4L, GM 6.6L, Ford 7.3L


https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...details-specs/

[Packerbacker_TX]

Originally Posted by Sandybar

I'm in the market for a new TV, and currently have a Chevy 2500 with a 6.0 gas motor. Will retire next year and need a new TV. I will be going cross country so will be pulling on long hills, Rockies etc. I'm pulling a 28 foot trailer weighs 6800 fully loaded.

I know my gas motor will get pretty warm when I go up long steep grades.

I think I want a diesel but price is 8k -10k more than a diesel. I can buy a lot of gas for that.

Pros and Cons?

Thanks

Yep - this question has incited many a riot! The upside for you is you're retiring next year so you have time to decide on the next tow vehicle. Being a Chevy guy you might have your own preferences but I hear the new 2020 F-250's will have a larger 7.3L gasser if you're wanting more power but not wanting to spend more on a diesel. I've got a 2017 F-250 6.2L gasser that does a good job up here in the PNW. That said, I have noticed a dip in performance when headed up steep grades. Just depends on what your haulin, your TV configuration and how fast you really need to go.



Good Luck!

[CampNow]

Originally Posted by Gizmopilot

I truly find this amazing - This thread is about diesel vs gas to pull a fully loaded 6800lb trailer.

I contributed that I pulled a 11,700 gvwr trailer 3200 miles through some of the toughest roads on the eastern part of the US using a gas F150 with out issue.

My truck did great on the long descents using its engine breaking and it did not have any power issues pulling much more weight up 9% grades at 60+ MPH

. . .

What I did and will continue to do are legal and within the specs for my truck.

. . .

Obviously I struck some sort of nerve - That was not my intent but these trucks keep getting more capable and that is the way it is.

I will now state fact - the original poster can choose gas as an option to tow their 6800lb camper with out issue if that is what they want to do, just make sure that the TV is rated to handle the job.

Yes, a 3.5 Ecoboost is a very capable and well-proven gas engine. Yes, in the context of a diesel vs. gas debate, the 3.5 Ecoboost's performance can certainly be a valid part of this discussion. However, it's very, very important to note . . . an Ecoboost engine by itself can NOT turn a 1/2-ton truck into a 3/4-ton truck. HP and torque alone does not determine a truck's ability to tow larger loads safely. Less informed folks may believe claims of effortless towing of 11,700 lb. GVWR trailers up 9% grades as the benchmark for safe towing, but those of us with significant experience towing with 1/2-ton trucks know there's a lot more to being safe than subjective claims of power and everything "feels" fine. The cornerstone of being safe is the proper use of CAT scale tickets. So far, Gizmopilot, you've been significantly less than forthcoming in this regard. I believe you would gain substantially more credibility if you uploaded copies of your CAT scale tickets (or equivalent) to this forum. For those who may be on the fence about purchasing an Ecoboost to tow a larger 11,700 lb. GVWR trailer, it would certainly go a long ways towards allaying some of their concerns. Thanks.

[Sandybar]

WOW is all I can say with all the input and thoughtful insight. Never thought there was so many things to consider. Got my head spinning but after reading and my known budget I will most likely go with Diesel.

Thanks again for all your thoughts.

Now its time to go get that truck and enjoy my upcoming retirement.

Cant wait.

Sandybar

[Big1]

Originally Posted by Sandybar

WOW is all I can say with all the input and thoughtful insight. Never thought there was so many things to consider. Got my head spinning but after reading and my known budget I will most likely go with Diesel.

Thanks again for all your thoughts.

Now its time to go get that truck and enjoy my upcoming retirement.

Cant wait.

Sandybar

Awesome, so let us know what you finally went with and post pics.

[Super Eagle]

I feel the need to jump in here. I've learned over the years that you can get by with things that are pushed beyond their limits, and they still work, but why?
I've had several gas trucks (all Fords) over the last 30 years, and they were all fine, even when pushed to their limit, but the limits come with risk. When I upgraded to a 2016 Eagle 314BHDS, I sold my 150, and bought a 2016 F-350 gas to match the mass of my new trailer. An 150 is no match for a trailer with that much mass. While my 350, with an Equalizer 12k system, had a max cargo weight of 3960# (over 2000# more than the 150 being discussed here), the BHDS314 imparted a significant load on that rear axle. And no one can tell me any 150 has a towing capacity close to a 2016 350, never.
The 350 was fine towing most places; however, big hills presented a significant challenge, and that engine had to rev to keep pace. The next issue was the fuel mileage. We'd get just over 8 mpg towing, which reduced our miles between fill-ups, which then leads to the next problem: finding a gas station that can accommodate a 35 foot trailer, which is a challenge. But, I loved this truck.
Now, here we sit, and today I addressed all of my previous issues, and picked up a 2019 F-350 Lariat, 6.7 Power Stroke, with 3650# payload while this rig has one additional leaf spring over the 2016 (the engine is heavier than a gas). The suspension and brakes were always capable, and now the engine will be.
So, I hope I addressed two discussions here with my own experiences.

Forget all of the scales for a moment, and look at numbers on your truck and trailer. Be logical, and stay safe out there.

[Super Eagle]

Originally Posted by Super Eagle

I feel the need to jump in here. I've learned over the years that you can get by with things that are pushed beyond their limits, and they still work, but why?
I've had several gas trucks (all Fords) over the last 30 years, and they were all fine, even when pushed to their limit, but the limits come with risk. When I upgraded to a a 2016 Eagle 314BHDS, I sold my 150, and bought a 2016 F-350 gas to match the mass of my new trailer. An 150 is no match for a trailer with that much mass. While my 350, with a Equalizer 12k system, had a max cargo weight of 3960# (over 2000# more than the 150 being discussed here), the BHDS314 imparted a significant load on that rear axle. And no one can tell me any 150 has a towing capacity close to a 2016 350, never.
The 350 was fine towing most places; however, big hills presented a significant challenge, and that engine had to rev to keep pace. The next issue was the fuel mileage. We'd get just over 8 mpg towing, which reduced our miles between fill-ups, which then leads to the next problem: finding a gas station that can accommodate a 35 foot trailer, which is a challenge. But, I loved this truck.
Now, here we sit, and today I addressed all of my previous issues, and picked up a 2019 F-350 Lariat, 6.7 Power Stroke, with 3650# payload (while this rig has one additional leaf spring over the 2016, (the engine is heavier than a gas). The suspension and brakes were always capable, and now the engine will be.
So, I hope I addressed two discussions here with my own experiences.

Forget all of the scales for a moment, and look at numbers on your truck and trailer. Be logical, and stay safe out there.

Previous rig.

[Sandybar]

Well I finally got my TV, all your inputs were weighed out and decided on a 2020 Chevy Silverado with the Duramax. Thanks

Hopefully I do the pic attachment right.

[JFlightRisk]

Great looking truck. Congratulations!

[Midnightmoon]

Congratulations on the new Silverado.

[Vasquez Kid]

Nice truck! Enjoy that duramax.

[Stingray75]

Congrats. Threres no cure for DuraGrin

[Iraqvet05]

Congratulations! Nice looking truck!

[curver900]

Originally Posted by Sandybar

Well I finally got my TV, all your inputs were weighed out and decided on a 2020 Chevy Silverado with the Duramax. Thanks

Hopefully I do the pic attachment right.

awesome the improvement with the 10 speed over the 6 speed is they don't torque limit it, so you should be able to hop on the throttle and have a hoooting good time...


check to see what oil is in the transmission... if it isn't transynd there are plenty of discussion on why it should be....


congratulations!!!

[Jacotim]

Originally Posted by Sandybar

Well I finally got my TV, all your inputs were weighed out and decided on a 2020 Chevy Silverado with the Duramax. Thanks

Hopefully I do the pic attachment right.

Nice truck. Enjoy the ride

[Shokyle1]

I tow my eagle ht with a ford f250 6.2 gas engine. Would I like the torque of the diesel yes, but being a diesel tech and seeing all the problems with diesel emissions I could not bring my self to buy one. On a side note the new 7.3 ford engine is a beast for it being gas.

[Florida Ranger]

New 2020 F450 with 7.3 gas and 4.30 gears tows anything you hitch up to it . Sometimes you forget you are towing a trailer. And it turns sharper (tighter) than the previous F350. Only time will tell if 7.3 is better than the V-10 has been.

[Big1]

Originally Posted by Sandybar

Well I finally got my TV, all your inputs were weighed out and decided on a 2020 Chevy Silverado with the Duramax. Thanks

Hopefully I do the pic attachment right.

Congrats!