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Old 08-28-2014, 12:27 PM   #11
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There may be quite a few people wanting a lot of cash back for repairs if this was true
Repairs... you mean wear and tear? It's happens to everything. But...

How any gassers are running 400,000+ miles? A 300,000 mile diesel still holds value.

Here in MI, the body will be destroyed long before the engine dies.
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Old 08-28-2014, 12:30 PM   #12
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Gas works best for me in my situation. Here is why....


My truck is a '96 Chevy crew cab dually with a vortec 454. We bought it in the spring of 2000, and paid $13,000 cash for it. I've put about 70,000 miles on this truck since I got it (It has about 155,000 miles total on it now), and those miles have been virtually trouble free. The only repairs I've done to it since I bought it are a water pump, a-frame bushings, hydraboost unit, EGR valve, front brakes once. Other than that, it's been tires, batteries, and oil changes.

This truck gets in the neighborhood of 6 miles per gallon pulling my trailer, depending on the conditions and how much of a hurry I am in. I pull my trailer less than 2000 miles every year, and nearly all trips are no further than 100-150 miles from home.

The truck pulls my trailer (2013 Eagle Premier 351RLTS) adequately enough. I usually set the cruise control around at around 63 mile per hour. Sure, I lose some speed going up the hills, and I have to work a little bit to prevent it from downshifting into second gear at times, but it's really no big deal.

My fuel cost on this truck, based on current gas prices, is about 50 cents per mile. Based on 2000 miles, my total fuel cost for the year is $1,000. The truck is old and paid for, so I have only liability insurance on it. Car payments are zero.

If I could get double the gas mileage with a diesel, I could cut my fuel cost roughly in half, to $500 per year. Based on those savings, it would take me 120 years to pay for a new $60,000 diesel dually.

Most used diesel trucks around here (east Texas) have been rode pretty hard. Anything less than $20,000 probably has over 200,000 miles on it. Having owned this truck for the past 14 years, I know everything that's wrong with it, and I know how it's been driven. I'd lose those known quantities with another used truck.

This is just a few thoughts. I've got a $50,000 camper and a $5,000 well worn gas truck. It works for me.
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Repairs... you mean wear and tear? It's happens to everything. But...

How any gassers are running 400,000+ miles? A 300,000 mile diesel still holds value.

Here in MI, the body will be destroyed long before the engine dies.

lots of gas engines with that mileage. Why would you think there isnt?
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Old 08-28-2014, 12:46 PM   #14
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Gas works best for me in my situation. Here is why....


My truck is a '96 Chevy crew cab dually with a vortec 454. We bought it in the spring of 2000, and paid $13,000 cash for it. I've put about 70,000 miles on this truck since I got it (It has about 155,000 miles total on it now), and those miles have been virtually trouble free. The only repairs I've done to it since I bought it are a water pump, a-frame bushings, hydraboost unit, EGR valve, front brakes once. Other than that, it's been tires, batteries, and oil changes.

This truck gets in the neighborhood of 6 miles per gallon pulling my trailer, depending on the conditions and how much of a hurry I am in. I pull my trailer less than 2000 miles every year, and nearly all trips are no further than 100-150 miles from home.

The truck pulls my trailer (2013 Eagle Premier 351RLTS) adequately enough. I usually set the cruise control around at around 63 mile per hour. Sure, I lose some speed going up the hills, and I have to work a little bit to prevent it from downshifting into second gear at times, but it's really no big deal.

My fuel cost on this truck, based on current gas prices, is about 50 cents per mile. Based on 2000 miles, my total fuel cost for the year is $1,000. The truck is old and paid for, so I have only liability insurance on it. Car payments are zero.

If I could get double the gas mileage with a diesel, I could cut my fuel cost roughly in half, to $500 per year. Based on those savings, it would take me 120 years to pay for a new $60,000 diesel dually.

Most used diesel trucks around here (east Texas) have been rode pretty hard. Anything less than $20,000 probably has over 200,000 miles on it. Having owned this truck for the past 14 years, I know everything that's wrong with it, and I know how it's been driven. I'd lose those known quantities with another used truck.

This is just a few thoughts. I've got a $50,000 camper and a $5,000 well worn gas truck. It works for me.
Nothing wrong with a gas truck, especially one that's paid for. In your example, however, you are comparing the yearly savings against buying a brand new truck. It's an 8K price difference between identical trucks/different engines.

Long and short, the money will probably never be "returned" but it definitely offsets the difference in fuel price plus some. Again, most don't buy for the cost savings of diesel.
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The newer DEF diesels like mine need to come up to temps often so they can regen as they should. Even in the owners manuals it tells you that if you can't get normal regens you need to force them.

The newer diesels will not replace the normal grocery getters. If you live 3 miles from work you should buy the gas version IMHO. Or at least force a regen once a week and listen to it rev in the driveway.

The new 6.7's owned by our local power company have been programed to auto regens from idle because they idle all day. They did this because of engine failing issues with low mileage/high hours on the clocks.

You should buy what you need and understand the give and take from your decision.

All vehicles are an economic loss, they are not investments.
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lots of gas engines with that mileage. Why would you think there isnt?
I've never nor heard of seen a gas vehicle with 400,000 miles. I'm sure they exist somewhere but I've encountered tons of 7.3 powerstrokes with that plus some. And there are far fewer diesels on the road. I guess semi trucks run diesel because its "cool" too huh?
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I've never nor heard of seen a gas vehicle with 400,000 miles. I'm sure they exist somewhere but I've encountered tons of 7.3 powerstrokes with that plus some. And there are far fewer diesels on the road. I guess semi trucks run diesel because its "cool" too huh?
what is your issue?

My comment was in response to the statement they run forever. Well they don't. Nothing does without repairs. But to make a blanket statement that a gas engine can't have 400000 miles is based purely on speculation.
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The newer DEF diesels like mine need to come up to temps often so they can regen as they should. Even in the owners manuals it tells you that if you can't get normal regens you need to force them.

The newer diesels will not replace the normal grocery getters. If you live 3 miles from work you should buy the gas version IMHO. Or at least force a regen once a week and listen to it rev in the driveway.

The new 6.7's owned by our local power company have been programed to auto regens from idle because they idle all day. They did this because of engine failing issues with low mileage/high hours on the clocks.

You should buy what you need and understand the give and take from your decision.

All vehicles are an economic loss, they are not investments.
I have a 6.7 as well. I can't imagine ever needed a REGEN weekly unless it idles continuously. The operator commanded regen is a nice option though. For whatever reason, Ford does not want this engine idling for hours. Many of the most restrictive maintenance items are based on idle time.
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what is your issue?

My comment was in response to the statement they run forever. Well they don't. Nothing does without repairs. But to make a blanket statement that a gas engine can't have 400000 miles is based purely on speculation.
Run forever is what they refer to as a figure of speech. It means operating life far exceeds what's usually expected. I never said they'd do it without repair. I didn't say a gasser can't have 400,000 on it. I said if they exist they are rare. I see tons of diesels in that range. And considering they are far fewer diesel vehicles on the road, that probably isn't by pure luck. Again, how many long haul over the road gassers exist?
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Run forever is what they refer to as a figure of speech. It means operating life far exceeds what's usually expected. I never said they'd do it without repair. I didn't say a gasser can't have 400,000 on it. I said if they exist they are rare. I see tons of diesels in that range. And considering they are far fewer diesel vehicles on the road, that probably isn't by pure luck. Again, how many long haul over the road gassers exist?
what are you talking about semi trucks for?

you seem terribly defensive about your decision to own a diesel...I am ok with your decision...lol
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