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Old 08-28-2014, 10:08 PM   #31
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My own perspective: We previously owned a 11000 lb fifth wheel, consequently bought a diesel Ram 3500 to tow it. Now have a WhiteHawk whose weight is less than half the fifth wheel. Sure don't need a diesel for it. The chief advantage of the diesel other than the power and torque for towing, is the relative lack of scheduled maintenance, primarily engine tuneups. An oil change is more because more oil is used, the same holds true with other fluid capacities of a diesel. Assuming no problems, a wrench doesn't touch the Cummins under my truck's hood for another 60000 miles. Fuel cost is no bargain, typically 50 cents/gal difference between gas and diesel here. Better fuel mileage? Yes, strangely my one ton Ram does get better fuel economy than the Toyota Tundra it replaced...........but the Tundra wasn't capable of towing a heavy trailer. The Ram doe turn in respectable mileage numbers when towing.Now, if all things Dodge around the engine quit breaking, failing, or leaking, I'd be pretty happy. Truck's paid for and if it weren't for the nickel/dime ownership experience I'd keep it, but I see its replacement down the road. But the power train from front to back has been flawless.
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Old 08-28-2014, 10:44 PM   #32
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So I had ask the question gas or diesel. Mixed results but after research I had made my decision to go with a diesel. Now after a quick look at the report my research pointed me in the right direction. I know I don't need a diesel for my light weight x23b but it will be fun to tow the trailer and less stressful. I am planning on doing some long trips when the kids get a little older. So having stress free driving will be nice. Thanks for posting the link. Too bad that I am a year out from buying one.
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Old 08-29-2014, 11:28 AM   #33
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I went though this recently as well.
I went with a 3/4 ton Gasser.
When we all talk on the internet its always seems
the biggest and baddest is the only way to go.
But when your looking at your budget and monthly payments things change.

For me and my 6500-7000lb trailer loaded I couldn't justify Diesel.

I bought used and Diesels were $10,000-$15,000 more for the same year and mileage. I don't keep my trucks to 200,000-1,000,000 miles so that consideration wasn't on the table.

Love the Diesel but I'm also VERY happy with what I have.
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Old 08-29-2014, 01:25 PM   #34
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The Topic says diesel vs gas cost comparison . At one time diesel was cheaper than gas but not anymore it's always 30 to 50 cents more a gallon . I am on my third diesel in about fifteen years . I buy it for one reason I love the torque for towing .if I used it for everyday driving and just pulled a few times a year short distances I would go with gas JMO
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So I had ask the question gas or diesel. Mixed results but after research I had made my decision to go with a diesel. Now after a quick look at the report my research pointed me in the right direction. I know I don't need a diesel for my light weight x23b but it will be fun to tow the trailer and less stressful. I am planning on doing some long trips when the kids get a little older. So having stress free driving will be nice. Thanks for posting the link. Too bad that I am a year out from buying one.
We went in the opposite direction with out TT's. We started with an X23B and pulled with a 5.4 Expedition. It did an adequate job and got 9-ish mpg, was never able to break the 10mpg barrier (kinda like the speed of sound I guess).
Upgraded the TV to the current F350 6.7. This week I made a 600+ mi trip to Baton Rouge with no trailer (Houston to BR - think FLAT) and averaged 20.1mpg according to the truck's computer. We pulled the X23B a couple of times with the new truck and like you say "less stressful". We then upgraded to a 5th that weighs 12780# (according to Mr. CAT scale) and on level ground I see 13 mpg.
This is my first diesel and I love it! If I were to go back to something like the X23B I'd probably want something a little lighter to tow with - or like you, maybe not.
BTW here in the Houston area my local station has gas at 3.12 and diesel at 3.54. Using those numbers the gaser cost me $0.33/mi and the diesel $0.27/mi with the gaser pulling 4400# and the diesel pulling 12000#.
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The Topic says diesel vs gas cost comparison . At one time diesel was cheaper than gas but not anymore it's always 30 to 50 cents more a gallon . I am on my third diesel in about fifteen years . I buy it for one reason I love the torque for towing .if I used it for everyday driving and just pulled a few times a year short distances I would go with gas JMO
On our trip this past Spring/Summer to Eastern Canada, Diesel was the same price as regular gas and sometimes a couple cents less. Unfortunately, both were about $5 US per gallon
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On our trip this past Spring/Summer to Eastern Canada, Diesel was the same price as regular gas and sometimes a couple cents less. Unfortunately, both were about $5 US per gallon
I was travelling on business a month or so ago (I forget where) and noted that regular and diesel were the same price.
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In BC, Canada I notice diesel is normally cheaper then regular in the summer and more in the winter. It likely averages out to about the same.

As I don't need the huge capacity ( and cost) of the 3/4 and one ton diesels I've been reading up on the new 3.0 Diesel in the Ram 1500. Compared to the 5.4 I currently drive it has 20 less HP but 70 more ft/lbs of torque. Far more interesting is the road tests I've read where they average 9-10 L/100 km (23-26 mpg) in normal driving where as I get 15-17 L/100 km (13-15 mpg).

Not sure I would bother with a diesel in a small car but all trucks and SUV's should offer them. They just make so much sense.
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The price gap between gas and diesel fuel narrows here in the Summer to around 20 cents per gallon, but in Fall and Winter widens to 60-70 cents per gallon when they start selling more heating oil.
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Old 08-29-2014, 09:08 PM   #40
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Good read and thanks for sharing. I paid. 3.53 for diesel today...89 octane gas is about 3.37 I think. My cummins was an 8k premium when I ordered the truck and the oil changes and fuel filter changes will likely be more money than on a gasser (guessing $400 for oil and fuel filter changes each time), but I knew all that going in. I could care less if I break even on my diesel...I love how it drives, the smooth power, not revving and downshifting on every mountain road, and the sound. 40% better towing mpg and I get 23mpg on the hwy empty...good enough for me! I doubt I will ever buy another gas truck again
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