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Old 04-30-2016, 06:53 PM   #1
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Eagle 324bhts vs F-150..

This trailer is at the limits of this truck but I can tell you she pulls like a dream. No sway no bounce very steady. The ecoboost is an engineering marvel....when I say the limits of the truck I am referring more to the gvwr vs the towing ability. Here's the break down by the scales:

Thruck - 2012 F150 ecoboost super crew long bed. Lariat package, 3.73 gear ratio, max toe package.
Gvwr 7700 gcwr 17,100 tow capacity 11,200
Gawr rear - 4050 gawr front - 3900

Trailer - jayco Eagle 324bhts. Yellow sticker says 8900 dry. Brochure says 950 tongue weight...

Truck full of gas (130 litre) about 400 lbs myself only.
F.A 3615 R.A 2866 = 6481 lbs

with WDH
F.A 3439
R.A 4144
Trailer 8202 lbs

With out WDH
F.A 3130
R.A 4629
trailer 8090

Trailer weight 9,302 lbs
Tongue weight 1278 lbs

14% tongue weight
F.A weight 176 lbs under gawr
R.A weight 94 lbs over gawr
Gcwr weight 15,783 = 1,317lbs under.

I have the equal-I-zer 4 point sway with 1400 lb bars. Based on the numbers I have added one more washer to the hitch head which makes a total of 7.

I am a little over 2" down from the front of the trailer to the back (1 1/4" optimum) I am hoping one more washer might help a bit but not to worried about it.

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With a heavy wind you're better on idle, because a heavy wind will play with the F-150
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Old 04-30-2016, 07:23 PM   #3
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Combo set up as specd
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I wonder what the difference is between a 3/4 ton gasser and a 1/2 ton un loaded vehicle weight... And
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ALJO - can you tell me about your experience with an F150 and similar trailer combo that your comment is based on? Not trying to call you out just curious on what your experience with 2009-2014 f150 was.
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Above 7500 lbs. I always had a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. A couple months I had a choice between a 2006 TT with 11400 GVWR and the 2005 Jayco Jay Feather LTG 29Y which is 6500 GVWR. The guy had a one ton single to pull the 11400 lbs. TT and said he needed that truck. So I just got over a year a Ram 1500 and did made the choice for the Jay Feather because of its light weight. Coming home from a Easter week camping trip in a 40 @ 50 mile hour wind was a though ride. The 30 ft. Jay Feather was playing with my truck while the truck was loaded to the max. Before I left the campsite I even filled the FW Tank (300 lbs) to keep weight in the TT. I had a single sway control and did give it an extra turn. When I picked up this unit a couple of months ago it was calm weather and had no sway control. Now I have for windy conditions two sway controls. I had around 8 TT and 5ers since the 70's and they all give you a different experience.
Nowadays half tons have the power to pull but the suspensions are soft to give the Cadillac ride. I have the Air-Lift 1000 installed to give a more solid ride. But a half ton eats up quick the cargo rating. My tongue weight at present is only around 800 lbs. and TT GVWR around 5450 lbs (Total 6250 lbs.) I have moved the FW Tank just 2 ft. before the axle instead of being mid ship between axles and hitch ball. Because my TW was 960 lbs. With wind many factors will ply a roll. Modern TT are high of the ground and more subtle to sway. The Jay Feather with Tor-flex is lower to ground level and more stable in wind conditions but lacks the weight. And yeah 30 ft. for the wind to play with.

I went from Ford to Ram, I always have been a Ford owner but am very happy with the 2014 Ram 1500 CC 4x4. Chevy and Ford still don't have the fender inserts and I am sure all their engines meet todays demand.
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I wonder what the difference is between a 3/4 ton gasser and a 1/2 ton un loaded vehicle weight.....snip
My '02' 2500HD scaled in just under 6,200lbs (full fuel with myself and no cargo)...., with passenger & cargo 6,600lbs. I haven't weighed my new '16' 2500HD TV yet.

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My '02' 2500HD scaled in just under 6,200lbs (full fuel with myself and no cargo)...., with passenger & cargo 6,600lbs. I haven't weighed my new '16' 2500HD TV yet.

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Interesting...200lbs under my 1/2 ton.

When we talk about the "tail wagging the dog" the 3/4
Ton vs 1/2 ton should not be a deciding factor.
Gvwr of the vehicles is the main factor.
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Interesting...200lbs under my 1/2 ton.

When we talk about the "tail wagging the dog" the 3/4 Ton vs 1/2 ton should not be a deciding factor.....snip
For some folks it might be.., but everyone has different towing expectations.

If one is comparing a 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton that weigh about the same, and the 1/2 ton is near/at it's GVWR, IMO that's where the two "very different" suspensions come into play and how each reacts under the same less-then-ideal towing conditions (wind, etc.) towing the same heavy, 30ft plus TT.

One should also consider the inherent physics (leverage) of the WDH on the TV's frame (end-effect on suspension)...., IMO the 3/4 ton "suspension" will react more favorably over the softer 1/2 ton suspension under the previously mentioned conditions.

Just thinking out loud here.......

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ALJO - can you tell me about your experience with an F150 and similar trailer combo that your comment is based on? Not trying to call you out just curious on what your experience with 2009-2014 f150 was.
Eco, I think the short answer is no experience. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said you have to look at the GVWR rather than whether the truck has 150 or 250/2500 badges on the side when considering towing capabilities. Many of those advocating the absolute necessity of a 250/2500 would be surprised to compare the ratings of a 2009 F150 with the Maxtow (or HD Payload) packages to those of a 1999 250/2500 TV. When someone researching the actual capabilities of a properly equipped F150 I hope they consider where the comments are coming from and whether posters have actual experience with the TV in question.
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