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Old 02-02-2016, 12:00 PM   #21
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Based on your suggestion, I asked the dealer about adding the max payload option. I would need to make a few other changes to make it compatible which would end up costing me another $3000 to do that. I think I'd rather just do the F250, assuming I don't hate how it drives or looks on the inside.

Hmmm...maybe I just do the F150 and a smaller trailer. Aaaahhh! Too...many...options...
Go to the Ford Dealer and drive a F-250, but don't drive the diesel though, it may instantly hook you! That engine can pull a mountain up a mountain while accelerating.

While the F-150 looks smaller and may seem like it feels better, the latest version of the Super Duty's rides and drives really nice. It is bigger though, but mine is my daily driver and I don't regret it. I love driving my F-350. So much so that when we were shopping for a new trailer and considering Motorhomes, the driving experience of the motor home left me completely unsatisified, where I like driving my truck with 5th behind it.

As far as bells and whistles, look again. My Lariat with heated and cooled seats feels like a Cadillac to me!!
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Old 02-02-2016, 02:10 PM   #22
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Thank you all for your insightful comments and experience. I'm so torn...I told the dealer to hold off on the F150 order and now I'm looking at the F250. It doesn't have all the fancy bells and whistles the more consumer oriented F150 has but it seems like that would tow whatever we choose better. Then again I really like the F150 and a lot of you say that would be fine. Plus 95% of the time I'm just going to be driving this to work and around town...we only camp a couple times a month during the warm months. But I'm leaning towards making the safe choice and going with the F250...assuming I like it (seeing it tonight). I'd hate to spend all that money and then discover I can't safely pull the trailer over the mountains. After all, that's why I'm doing this in the first place.

When I mentioned budget I was talking about the purchase price of the truck. I didn't even bother looking at the F250 because I just assumed it would be way more expensive and more truck than I need, but once you remove the fancy upgrades I was doing to the F150 that aren't even available on the F250 the bigger truck actually ends up being cheaper! So, back to the drawing board I guess. Anybody have a time machine so I can go see how these things tow so I can make the right decision???
You are making the right decision - bravo!

Many of us, myself included, were a bit too stubborn to make the right decision upfront and ultimately paid for it. In may case I settled on the smaller trailer (26BH) in order to tow with my existing Tahoe. Didn't like that towing experience so I used my existing Chevy 1500, improvement but not great. In the mountains, where most of our summer camping occurs, the 4 speed transmission left a lot to be desired as did down hill braking. I decided a newer truck, 6 speed transmission, was in order. Did a lot of shopping, decided to "future proof" the truck purchase a bit and went with a 3/4 ton diesel. Guess what, realized I now have the truck I needed to get the trailer we originally desired so I sold my 26BH and went out and bought the 29QBH.

We are extremely happy now, but the path was bumpy and we paid some "stupid tax" as Dave Ramsey would put it. Hopefully my story can serve as your time machine.

If you are buying a truck, buy a capable one, then get the trailer you want. If you settle now and talk yourself into something you don't really want, you will be reminded of that every time you use the TT.
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Old 02-02-2016, 02:14 PM   #23
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We are extremely happy now, but the path was bumpy and we paid some "stupid tax" as Dave Ramsey would put it. Hopefully my story can serve as your time machine.

If you are buying a truck, buy a capable one, then get the trailer you want. If you settle now and talk yourself into something you don't really want, you will be reminded of that every time you use the TT.
Yeah I've paid my fair share of stupid tax in the past. Hoping to avoid it on a purchase of this magnitude. I think I see a F250 in my future, but we'll see how I feel after I see it tonight.
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Old 02-02-2016, 02:17 PM   #24
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Just a friendly suggestion, but also shop the other truck makers. When I shopped, the F250 was the roughest riding of the other 3/4 ton trucks (and had the lower payload). If it's your daily driver, you may get more comfort with a GM or Ram truck.

When I was shopping, the GM & Ram 3/4 ton trucks had a much better ride (IMHO).
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Old 02-02-2016, 06:31 PM   #25
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I tow a 28BHBE with a 1500 with similar payload specs, you must configure the WDH properly so that tongue weight is under 1000#. I have a Blue Ox WDH and am consistently between 700-800# tongue weight.

Definitely keep it at 60mph or below and pull over if there a high crosswinds. I think you will be alright as long as you are not towing frequently and stay on top of trailer brake adjustments. Also, as others have mentioned, upgrading to LT tires is a must for sidewall stability.

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Payload capacity with all of my options will be 1751 lbs. I'm doing the half ton because of budget concerns but I want to make sure what I get will handle what I'm trying to pull. We're leaning towards getting the 287 to future proof ourselves from needing to trade up in the future...I just want it to be safe too.
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Old 02-03-2016, 05:49 AM   #26
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I tow a 28BHBE with a 1500 with similar payload specs, you must configure the WDH properly so that tongue weight is under 1000#. I have a Blue Ox WDH and am consistently between 700-800# tongue weight.

Definitely keep it at 60mph or below and pull over if there a high crosswinds. I think you will be alright as long as you are not towing frequently and stay on top of trailer brake adjustments. Also, as others have mentioned, upgrading to LT tires is a must for sidewall stability.
When you state you have between 700-800# tw, is that the weight added to your truck with the wd bars latched up? Even though this may be the "net" amount added to your truck, the "gross" (Guess we can call it that???) amount (actual tw) is what must be considered. While I haven't mentioned it previously, the hitch rating is another thing that must be considered, in regards to the actual ("gross") tw. Most older 1500/150 hitches were only rated for about 1000 to maybe 1200lbs. The actual tw plus the wdh must be compared to the hitch rating. If I recall, the new(er) GM Twins ('14- current) hitches are rated higher, maybe 1500lbs. Not sure about For or Ram if they have raised their hitches rating or not. Last I heard about Ford was they were about 1100lbs (I think it was).

In talking with Reese sometime back, I was told weight behind the axle should be included when selecting what size wd bars to go with. So one thing I haven't found a consensus on is if this weight behind the axle also counted toward the tw, which could defintitely put one over the hitch rating.

LT tires are a huge improvement for 150/1500's. Even just switching to LR C's from the stock tires on our '10-1500 was night and day difference. Had the dreaded P rated "wiggle" as I call it. Back of the truck just "wiggled" sided to side ever so slightly. Changed the tires, and all was good!
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Old 02-03-2016, 07:03 AM   #27
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I don't think the hitch ratings have increased, I have a 2015 and the hitch is rated to 1200#, but I would never try that out!

I went to the scales with WDH hooked up, that is where I got the 700-800#tongue weight number. I am well within payload, axle rating, GVWR, etc on my 1500. I have the base Sierra with a few bells and whistles, my truck was much cheaper than a 2500.

I drive safely and don't think I am putting my family at risk like many others seem to be implying. Do I feel the trailer behind me? Of course, but unless you buy a MDT or HDT that will be the case.

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When you state you have between 700-800# tw, is that the weight added to your truck with the wd bars latched up? Even though this may be the "net" amount added to your truck, the "gross" (Guess we can call it that???) amount (actual tw) is what must be considered. While I haven't mentioned it previously, the hitch rating is another thing that must be considered, in regards to the actual ("gross") tw. Most older 1500/150 hitches were only rated for about 1000 to maybe 1200lbs. The actual tw plus the wdh must be compared to the hitch rating. If I recall, the new(er) GM Twins ('14- current) hitches are rated higher, maybe 1500lbs.

LT tires are a huge improvement for 150/1500's. Even just switching to LR C's from the stock tires on our '10-1500 was night and day difference. Had the dreaded P rated "wiggle" as I call it. Back of the truck just "wiggled" sided to side ever so slightly. Changed the tires, and all was good!
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Well I saw the F250 last night. That's a big freaking truck! I was fine with the interior (Lariat trim) but driving the gas version sucked. Very boring. No pickup or acceleration and a ton of engine noise...I was pretty disappointed. I felt like I was driving a UHaul. Then I drove the turbo diesel version and I was floored...such a difference! Great pickup, acceleration, engine noise was at a minimum. Plus everybody tells me it tows better and it has better MPG. So now the question is...is it worth the $8k+ premium. I think I'll have to because the thought of driving that gas version every day makes me want to go back to towing my popup with my mini-van.
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The 6.7 diesel will move right along. I went from a Ford Raptor to a 2016 F250 Lariat and thought I would miss the 6.2 in the Raptor. I was presently surprised when I floored the F250 for the first time.
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:56 PM   #30
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Well I saw the F250 last night. That's a big freaking truck! I was fine with the interior (Lariat trim) but driving the gas version sucked. Very boring. No pickup or acceleration and a ton of engine noise...I was pretty disappointed. I felt like I was driving a UHaul. Then I drove the turbo diesel version and I was floored...such a difference! Great pickup, acceleration, engine noise was at a minimum. Plus everybody tells me it tows better and it has better MPG. So now the question is...is it worth the $8k+ premium. I think I'll have to because the thought of driving that gas version every day makes me want to go back to towing my popup with my mini-van.
Try a Ram 2500 with 6.4 (If you're out test-driving trucks, why not?) It's got more pickup than I care to use. I mean that thing really goes when you get into the pedal. The motor sounds good too IMO. Of course, it's no diesel, but still...

Of course, you may already have the diesel bug. I've heard of it, but haven't experienced it myself. It actually took considerable effort to stay away from the diesels when I was shopping. I knew if I drove one, I might end up bringing it home. And if I did that, I would be WAY over my budget. And if I did that, I might not be married any more. I like being married.
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