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Old 02-03-2016, 04:18 PM   #31
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Well I saw the F250 last night. That's a big freaking truck! I was fine with the interior (Lariat trim) but driving the gas version sucked. Very boring. No pickup or acceleration and a ton of engine noise...I was pretty disappointed. I felt like I was driving a UHaul. Then I drove the turbo diesel version and I was floored...such a difference! Great pickup, acceleration, engine noise was at a minimum. Plus everybody tells me it tows better and it has better MPG. So now the question is...is it worth the $8k+ premium. I think I'll have to because the thought of driving that gas version every day makes me want to go back to towing my popup with my mini-van.
What gear ratio did the 250 have? Also, if Ford is anything like GM, the torque management is horrible if you just floor it and expect to go anywhere! By my seat of pants feel if you just "roll on the gas" it is actually faster than putting the pedal to the floor. All the computer nanny controls are a pain sometime!!!!

Buddy has a '13 Ram 2500, and he loves it so far (about 2.5yrs now). Pending what they Ram and GM Twins are like when we are ready for a new truck, both will be on my radar. Keep hearing great things about the 6.4!

As for the diesel vs gas..... Tough call!!! How much do you actually drive each year, and how far is your commute? Though I have read the commute distance is no longer a major issue if you get a longer drive in periodically. Large price difference, but in most cases you will be ahead when selling, though it may not be the $8-10k difference when new. Try looking up a comparable gas and diesel truck to compare that is a few years old. See what the NADA or KBB price difference is. Should give you a decent idea. MPG is not a huge difference like it used to be since the big 3 added the DEF due to emissions. Lot of gas can be bought for $8k! The gas trucks usually have more payload than the diesel comparable. With the diesels, most suggest just getting the SRW 350/3500's because of the additional payload over the 250's. Some diesel 250's can have payload issues if you decide to look at 5ver's.

Myself, gas is enough for now.... Hard to say for the future though. Though we don't have mountains or crazy hills here in Mi. Do have a few, but so far we haven't had an issue maintaining speed. Just let the trans drop a gear, the motor will rev some, and away we go! Lol

Good luck!
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Old 02-03-2016, 04:57 PM   #32
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What gear ratio did the 250 have? Also, if Ford is anything like GM, the torque management is horrible if you just floor it and expect to go anywhere! By my seat of pants feel if you just "roll on the gas" it is actually faster than putting the pedal to the floor. All the computer nanny controls are a pain sometime!!!!

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I noticed this with my truck. I thought it was just me. It does seem to make a difference though...
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Old 02-03-2016, 05:16 PM   #33
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Planning for the purchase of our 5th I did my truck research. For me "Blue Oval" was a no-brainer. But short, long, trim level, 250 or 350?
I went into it thinking diesel. I work from home (can't beat the commute) so I didn't have to worry about a daily driver. At the end of the day I got the 350 (more is better, right), short bed, 2WD. This my first pickup and first diesel.
Overall, my mileage impresses me, 20-ish on the highway and 12's pulling the 5th. My mistake was the short bed/non-slider hitch (new rear window to show for that). To do over I'd get a slider.
My point? The 6.7 PSD is a BEAST and it loves to pull!
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Old 02-03-2016, 05:28 PM   #34
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x2 on trying the Ram. Please drive the Ram/Chevy/GMC before deciding.

I paid the premium on the diesel. Mostly convenience of towing and the hope of better gas mileage. I've never kept a motor past 100,000 miles, but I do buy into the longevity of the diesel and would like to keep this one around for 200K + miles.

My opinion is; if you have the resources and want the diesel, then do it. I would not go into debt over it. Especially if towing is recreational and local.

The Chevy and GMC are not as super sized as the Superduty. IF your a Ford guy, then I get it. But I would keep your options very open. The RAM gassers are getting positive responses too.
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Old 02-03-2016, 09:53 PM   #35
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Try a Ram 2500 with 6.4 (If you're out test-driving trucks, why not?) It's got more pickup than I care to use. I mean that thing really goes when you get into the pedal. The motor sounds good too IMO. Of course, it's no diesel, but still...

Of course, you may already have the diesel bug. I've heard of it, but haven't experienced it myself. It actually took considerable effort to stay away from the diesels when I was shopping. I knew if I drove one, I might end up bringing it home. And if I did that, I would be WAY over my budget. And if I did that, I might not be married any more. I like being married.
Your post made me laugh and reminded me about the book "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie."

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Old 02-03-2016, 10:16 PM   #36
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Well I saw the F250 last night. That's a big freaking truck! I was fine with the interior (Lariat trim) but driving the gas version sucked. Very boring. No pickup or acceleration and a ton of engine noise...I was pretty disappointed. I felt like I was driving a UHaul. Then I drove the turbo diesel version and I was floored...such a difference! Great pickup, acceleration, engine noise was at a minimum. Plus everybody tells me it tows better and it has better MPG. So now the question is...is it worth the $8k+ premium. I think I'll have to because the thought of driving that gas version every day makes me want to go back to towing my popup with my mini-van.
I told you not to drive the diesel. I was considering getting a new truck till I drove one, then I had to get a new one!! Moves along nicely, doesn't it? It will equally impress you with 10,000 pounds behind it!
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Old 02-03-2016, 10:54 PM   #37
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That payload seems a little low if your getting maxtow, unless the new generations have gone down. I was at 1832 on a '13 lariat SCREW with maxtow.

Depends on your trim level. Ours has 15xx for payload. We've got he platinum trim, 2014. Apparently the power running boards, sunroof, AC condenser for the cooled seats, larger rims (are they bigger than the Lariat?), standard power everything takes up weight.

Without MaxTow, the payloads were about 1100 in the platinum edition. And with our payload, we can't go above our current trailer weight which is 5500# loaded. Anything heavier and we'd be over payload or over the RAWR (we're close enough to both as it is).
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Mine is a 287BHBE. I had a Big Tow Titan when I bought it. No power issues whatsoever, but it was a white knuckle tow. I ended up about 100 lbs below payload capacity as long as everything went in the trailer. My tongue weight is right at 1200 lbs loaded up. It's too much trailer for a half ton when combined with the profile. The trailer controlled the truck, and it's not a fun position to be in.
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:48 AM   #39
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Alrighty...choice made. I'm going with the 6.7L Diesel F250. I've already worked out my deal and now I'm just deciding between the 3.55 or 3.31 axle ratio. I'll probably go with 3.31 because this will be my primary vehicle and I'll only be towing every once in awhile. I'd rather have the MPG. Thank you all for your insight. I'm glad I posted this question because I think I was making a mistake with the F150. I would have probably been OK but it would be close and probably not a great towing experience with no room to grow.
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Old 02-04-2016, 09:27 AM   #40
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Congrats!!!!

Do a little more gear research before deciding for sure. The differences I have read about between the GM 6.0 trucks with the 3.73 vs 4.10's which has been reported by those who have owned both is maybe 1mpg. So comparing same driving habits, terrain, etc.... And being that close may never be a noticeable difference. But what would you gain tow rating wise?

Congrats again!!! Post up when you get the new beast!!!
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