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Old 02-02-2016, 12:00 PM   #21
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Based on your suggestion, I asked the dealer about adding the max payload option. I would need to make a few other changes to make it compatible which would end up costing me another $3000 to do that. I think I'd rather just do the F250, assuming I don't hate how it drives or looks on the inside.

Hmmm...maybe I just do the F150 and a smaller trailer. Aaaahhh! Too...many...options...
Go to the Ford Dealer and drive a F-250, but don't drive the diesel though, it may instantly hook you! That engine can pull a mountain up a mountain while accelerating.

While the F-150 looks smaller and may seem like it feels better, the latest version of the Super Duty's rides and drives really nice. It is bigger though, but mine is my daily driver and I don't regret it. I love driving my F-350. So much so that when we were shopping for a new trailer and considering Motorhomes, the driving experience of the motor home left me completely unsatisified, where I like driving my truck with 5th behind it.

As far as bells and whistles, look again. My Lariat with heated and cooled seats feels like a Cadillac to me!!
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Old 02-02-2016, 02:10 PM   #22
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Thank you all for your insightful comments and experience. I'm so torn...I told the dealer to hold off on the F150 order and now I'm looking at the F250. It doesn't have all the fancy bells and whistles the more consumer oriented F150 has but it seems like that would tow whatever we choose better. Then again I really like the F150 and a lot of you say that would be fine. Plus 95% of the time I'm just going to be driving this to work and around town...we only camp a couple times a month during the warm months. But I'm leaning towards making the safe choice and going with the F250...assuming I like it (seeing it tonight). I'd hate to spend all that money and then discover I can't safely pull the trailer over the mountains. After all, that's why I'm doing this in the first place.

When I mentioned budget I was talking about the purchase price of the truck. I didn't even bother looking at the F250 because I just assumed it would be way more expensive and more truck than I need, but once you remove the fancy upgrades I was doing to the F150 that aren't even available on the F250 the bigger truck actually ends up being cheaper! So, back to the drawing board I guess. Anybody have a time machine so I can go see how these things tow so I can make the right decision???
You are making the right decision - bravo!

Many of us, myself included, were a bit too stubborn to make the right decision upfront and ultimately paid for it. In may case I settled on the smaller trailer (26BH) in order to tow with my existing Tahoe. Didn't like that towing experience so I used my existing Chevy 1500, improvement but not great. In the mountains, where most of our summer camping occurs, the 4 speed transmission left a lot to be desired as did down hill braking. I decided a newer truck, 6 speed transmission, was in order. Did a lot of shopping, decided to "future proof" the truck purchase a bit and went with a 3/4 ton diesel. Guess what, realized I now have the truck I needed to get the trailer we originally desired so I sold my 26BH and went out and bought the 29QBH.

We are extremely happy now, but the path was bumpy and we paid some "stupid tax" as Dave Ramsey would put it. Hopefully my story can serve as your time machine.

If you are buying a truck, buy a capable one, then get the trailer you want. If you settle now and talk yourself into something you don't really want, you will be reminded of that every time you use the TT.
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Old 02-02-2016, 02:14 PM   #23
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We are extremely happy now, but the path was bumpy and we paid some "stupid tax" as Dave Ramsey would put it. Hopefully my story can serve as your time machine.

If you are buying a truck, buy a capable one, then get the trailer you want. If you settle now and talk yourself into something you don't really want, you will be reminded of that every time you use the TT.
Yeah I've paid my fair share of stupid tax in the past. Hoping to avoid it on a purchase of this magnitude. I think I see a F250 in my future, but we'll see how I feel after I see it tonight.
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Just a friendly suggestion, but also shop the other truck makers. When I shopped, the F250 was the roughest riding of the other 3/4 ton trucks (and had the lower payload). If it's your daily driver, you may get more comfort with a GM or Ram truck.

When I was shopping, the GM & Ram 3/4 ton trucks had a much better ride (IMHO).
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Old 02-02-2016, 06:31 PM   #25
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I tow a 28BHBE with a 1500 with similar payload specs, you must configure the WDH properly so that tongue weight is under 1000#. I have a Blue Ox WDH and am consistently between 700-800# tongue weight.

Definitely keep it at 60mph or below and pull over if there a high crosswinds. I think you will be alright as long as you are not towing frequently and stay on top of trailer brake adjustments. Also, as others have mentioned, upgrading to LT tires is a must for sidewall stability.

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Payload capacity with all of my options will be 1751 lbs. I'm doing the half ton because of budget concerns but I want to make sure what I get will handle what I'm trying to pull. We're leaning towards getting the 287 to future proof ourselves from needing to trade up in the future...I just want it to be safe too.
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Old 02-03-2016, 05:49 AM   #26
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I tow a 28BHBE with a 1500 with similar payload specs, you must configure the WDH properly so that tongue weight is under 1000#. I have a Blue Ox WDH and am consistently between 700-800# tongue weight.

Definitely keep it at 60mph or below and pull over if there a high crosswinds. I think you will be alright as long as you are not towing frequently and stay on top of trailer brake adjustments. Also, as others have mentioned, upgrading to LT tires is a must for sidewall stability.
When you state you have between 700-800# tw, is that the weight added to your truck with the wd bars latched up? Even though this may be the "net" amount added to your truck, the "gross" (Guess we can call it that???) amount (actual tw) is what must be considered. While I haven't mentioned it previously, the hitch rating is another thing that must be considered, in regards to the actual ("gross") tw. Most older 1500/150 hitches were only rated for about 1000 to maybe 1200lbs. The actual tw plus the wdh must be compared to the hitch rating. If I recall, the new(er) GM Twins ('14- current) hitches are rated higher, maybe 1500lbs. Not sure about For or Ram if they have raised their hitches rating or not. Last I heard about Ford was they were about 1100lbs (I think it was).

In talking with Reese sometime back, I was told weight behind the axle should be included when selecting what size wd bars to go with. So one thing I haven't found a consensus on is if this weight behind the axle also counted toward the tw, which could defintitely put one over the hitch rating.

LT tires are a huge improvement for 150/1500's. Even just switching to LR C's from the stock tires on our '10-1500 was night and day difference. Had the dreaded P rated "wiggle" as I call it. Back of the truck just "wiggled" sided to side ever so slightly. Changed the tires, and all was good!
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I don't think the hitch ratings have increased, I have a 2015 and the hitch is rated to 1200#, but I would never try that out!

I went to the scales with WDH hooked up, that is where I got the 700-800#tongue weight number. I am well within payload, axle rating, GVWR, etc on my 1500. I have the base Sierra with a few bells and whistles, my truck was much cheaper than a 2500.

I drive safely and don't think I am putting my family at risk like many others seem to be implying. Do I feel the trailer behind me? Of course, but unless you buy a MDT or HDT that will be the case.

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When you state you have between 700-800# tw, is that the weight added to your truck with the wd bars latched up? Even though this may be the "net" amount added to your truck, the "gross" (Guess we can call it that???) amount (actual tw) is what must be considered. While I haven't mentioned it previously, the hitch rating is another thing that must be considered, in regards to the actual ("gross") tw. Most older 1500/150 hitches were only rated for about 1000 to maybe 1200lbs. The actual tw plus the wdh must be compared to the hitch rating. If I recall, the new(er) GM Twins ('14- current) hitches are rated higher, maybe 1500lbs.

LT tires are a huge improvement for 150/1500's. Even just switching to LR C's from the stock tires on our '10-1500 was night and day difference. Had the dreaded P rated "wiggle" as I call it. Back of the truck just "wiggled" sided to side ever so slightly. Changed the tires, and all was good!
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Well I saw the F250 last night. That's a big freaking truck! I was fine with the interior (Lariat trim) but driving the gas version sucked. Very boring. No pickup or acceleration and a ton of engine noise...I was pretty disappointed. I felt like I was driving a UHaul. Then I drove the turbo diesel version and I was floored...such a difference! Great pickup, acceleration, engine noise was at a minimum. Plus everybody tells me it tows better and it has better MPG. So now the question is...is it worth the $8k+ premium. I think I'll have to because the thought of driving that gas version every day makes me want to go back to towing my popup with my mini-van.
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The 6.7 diesel will move right along. I went from a Ford Raptor to a 2016 F250 Lariat and thought I would miss the 6.2 in the Raptor. I was presently surprised when I floored the F250 for the first time.
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Well I saw the F250 last night. That's a big freaking truck! I was fine with the interior (Lariat trim) but driving the gas version sucked. Very boring. No pickup or acceleration and a ton of engine noise...I was pretty disappointed. I felt like I was driving a UHaul. Then I drove the turbo diesel version and I was floored...such a difference! Great pickup, acceleration, engine noise was at a minimum. Plus everybody tells me it tows better and it has better MPG. So now the question is...is it worth the $8k+ premium. I think I'll have to because the thought of driving that gas version every day makes me want to go back to towing my popup with my mini-van.
Try a Ram 2500 with 6.4 (If you're out test-driving trucks, why not?) It's got more pickup than I care to use. I mean that thing really goes when you get into the pedal. The motor sounds good too IMO. Of course, it's no diesel, but still...

Of course, you may already have the diesel bug. I've heard of it, but haven't experienced it myself. It actually took considerable effort to stay away from the diesels when I was shopping. I knew if I drove one, I might end up bringing it home. And if I did that, I would be WAY over my budget. And if I did that, I might not be married any more. I like being married.
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Well I saw the F250 last night. That's a big freaking truck! I was fine with the interior (Lariat trim) but driving the gas version sucked. Very boring. No pickup or acceleration and a ton of engine noise...I was pretty disappointed. I felt like I was driving a UHaul. Then I drove the turbo diesel version and I was floored...such a difference! Great pickup, acceleration, engine noise was at a minimum. Plus everybody tells me it tows better and it has better MPG. So now the question is...is it worth the $8k+ premium. I think I'll have to because the thought of driving that gas version every day makes me want to go back to towing my popup with my mini-van.
What gear ratio did the 250 have? Also, if Ford is anything like GM, the torque management is horrible if you just floor it and expect to go anywhere! By my seat of pants feel if you just "roll on the gas" it is actually faster than putting the pedal to the floor. All the computer nanny controls are a pain sometime!!!!

Buddy has a '13 Ram 2500, and he loves it so far (about 2.5yrs now). Pending what they Ram and GM Twins are like when we are ready for a new truck, both will be on my radar. Keep hearing great things about the 6.4!

As for the diesel vs gas..... Tough call!!! How much do you actually drive each year, and how far is your commute? Though I have read the commute distance is no longer a major issue if you get a longer drive in periodically. Large price difference, but in most cases you will be ahead when selling, though it may not be the $8-10k difference when new. Try looking up a comparable gas and diesel truck to compare that is a few years old. See what the NADA or KBB price difference is. Should give you a decent idea. MPG is not a huge difference like it used to be since the big 3 added the DEF due to emissions. Lot of gas can be bought for $8k! The gas trucks usually have more payload than the diesel comparable. With the diesels, most suggest just getting the SRW 350/3500's because of the additional payload over the 250's. Some diesel 250's can have payload issues if you decide to look at 5ver's.

Myself, gas is enough for now.... Hard to say for the future though. Though we don't have mountains or crazy hills here in Mi. Do have a few, but so far we haven't had an issue maintaining speed. Just let the trans drop a gear, the motor will rev some, and away we go! Lol

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What gear ratio did the 250 have? Also, if Ford is anything like GM, the torque management is horrible if you just floor it and expect to go anywhere! By my seat of pants feel if you just "roll on the gas" it is actually faster than putting the pedal to the floor. All the computer nanny controls are a pain sometime!!!!

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I noticed this with my truck. I thought it was just me. It does seem to make a difference though...
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Planning for the purchase of our 5th I did my truck research. For me "Blue Oval" was a no-brainer. But short, long, trim level, 250 or 350?
I went into it thinking diesel. I work from home (can't beat the commute) so I didn't have to worry about a daily driver. At the end of the day I got the 350 (more is better, right), short bed, 2WD. This my first pickup and first diesel.
Overall, my mileage impresses me, 20-ish on the highway and 12's pulling the 5th. My mistake was the short bed/non-slider hitch (new rear window to show for that). To do over I'd get a slider.
My point? The 6.7 PSD is a BEAST and it loves to pull!
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x2 on trying the Ram. Please drive the Ram/Chevy/GMC before deciding.

I paid the premium on the diesel. Mostly convenience of towing and the hope of better gas mileage. I've never kept a motor past 100,000 miles, but I do buy into the longevity of the diesel and would like to keep this one around for 200K + miles.

My opinion is; if you have the resources and want the diesel, then do it. I would not go into debt over it. Especially if towing is recreational and local.

The Chevy and GMC are not as super sized as the Superduty. IF your a Ford guy, then I get it. But I would keep your options very open. The RAM gassers are getting positive responses too.
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Try a Ram 2500 with 6.4 (If you're out test-driving trucks, why not?) It's got more pickup than I care to use. I mean that thing really goes when you get into the pedal. The motor sounds good too IMO. Of course, it's no diesel, but still...

Of course, you may already have the diesel bug. I've heard of it, but haven't experienced it myself. It actually took considerable effort to stay away from the diesels when I was shopping. I knew if I drove one, I might end up bringing it home. And if I did that, I would be WAY over my budget. And if I did that, I might not be married any more. I like being married.
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Well I saw the F250 last night. That's a big freaking truck! I was fine with the interior (Lariat trim) but driving the gas version sucked. Very boring. No pickup or acceleration and a ton of engine noise...I was pretty disappointed. I felt like I was driving a UHaul. Then I drove the turbo diesel version and I was floored...such a difference! Great pickup, acceleration, engine noise was at a minimum. Plus everybody tells me it tows better and it has better MPG. So now the question is...is it worth the $8k+ premium. I think I'll have to because the thought of driving that gas version every day makes me want to go back to towing my popup with my mini-van.
I told you not to drive the diesel. I was considering getting a new truck till I drove one, then I had to get a new one!! Moves along nicely, doesn't it? It will equally impress you with 10,000 pounds behind it!
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That payload seems a little low if your getting maxtow, unless the new generations have gone down. I was at 1832 on a '13 lariat SCREW with maxtow.

Depends on your trim level. Ours has 15xx for payload. We've got he platinum trim, 2014. Apparently the power running boards, sunroof, AC condenser for the cooled seats, larger rims (are they bigger than the Lariat?), standard power everything takes up weight.

Without MaxTow, the payloads were about 1100 in the platinum edition. And with our payload, we can't go above our current trailer weight which is 5500# loaded. Anything heavier and we'd be over payload or over the RAWR (we're close enough to both as it is).
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Mine is a 287BHBE. I had a Big Tow Titan when I bought it. No power issues whatsoever, but it was a white knuckle tow. I ended up about 100 lbs below payload capacity as long as everything went in the trailer. My tongue weight is right at 1200 lbs loaded up. It's too much trailer for a half ton when combined with the profile. The trailer controlled the truck, and it's not a fun position to be in.
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Alrighty...choice made. I'm going with the 6.7L Diesel F250. I've already worked out my deal and now I'm just deciding between the 3.55 or 3.31 axle ratio. I'll probably go with 3.31 because this will be my primary vehicle and I'll only be towing every once in awhile. I'd rather have the MPG. Thank you all for your insight. I'm glad I posted this question because I think I was making a mistake with the F150. I would have probably been OK but it would be close and probably not a great towing experience with no room to grow.
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Congrats!!!!

Do a little more gear research before deciding for sure. The differences I have read about between the GM 6.0 trucks with the 3.73 vs 4.10's which has been reported by those who have owned both is maybe 1mpg. So comparing same driving habits, terrain, etc.... And being that close may never be a noticeable difference. But what would you gain tow rating wise?

Congrats again!!! Post up when you get the new beast!!!
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