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Old 11-27-2013, 01:09 PM   #11
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I swapped my 1/2 to a 3/4 for the reasons stated above. I figured that fully loaded with fuel, gear and kids I was too close to max to be comfortable with it. Camping close to home would be ok but we have dreams of being able to cross the Rockies with it. The 3/4 ton was a good decision for us.
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Old 01-15-2014, 10:39 PM   #12
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Took my FB22 from New Jersey to Alaska without any problems.
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Old 01-19-2014, 08:08 PM   #13
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My 2013 27SDRL unloaded weight from factory was #5834. Loaded up is about #6700. Loaded tongue weight with spring bars in place #720, leaving #5960 on trailer axles. All by CAT scale. My truck with me DW and a few things in the bed comes in with about #200 below max GVWR of #6900. I am happy with my rig, however I would not consider a heavier trailer for this truck. I am #3400 under my GCVWR of #16000.
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:12 AM   #14
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Are you 200lbs below GVWR *before* you tie on the trailer? Meaning after you tie onto the trailer you are exceeding it? I am just curious because I am in a situation where I am over my GVWR of my TV by a similar amount once I tie onto my trailer if what I read in your post is correct, and I was just curious how things handled.
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No, I am #200 under GVWR after hitched up and spring bars in place. No handling problems or sway. I try to drive 65 mph or less. My TV has a rear axle rating of #4100. I am a good #800 under that.
You may be exceeding your GVWR but chances are that you are well under your rear axle rating. I'm not sure how vehicle manufactures come up with the GVWR, Toyota seems to be pretty conservative. That being said it is probably not a good idea to exceed your GVWR. I am also at about 80% of my Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating (GCVWR) So no problem overloading brakes or other mechanical components of the TV. (#16000)
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No, I am #200 under GVWR after hitched up and spring bars in place. No handling problems or sway. I try to drive 65 mph or less. My TV has a rear axle rating of #4100. I am a good #800 under that.
You may be exceeding your GVWR but chances are that you are well under your rear axle rating. I'm not sure how vehicle manufactures come up with the GVWR, Toyota seems to be pretty conservative. That being said it is probably not a good idea to exceed your GVWR. I am also at about 80% of my Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating (GCVWR) So no problem overloading brakes or other mechanical components of the TV. (#16000)
Yeah, I am under axle rating, only at 70% GCWR and only using 60% of my tow cap, but over my GVWR by a fair bit with my TT (5500lbs) hitched and me, DW, and the kids in the cab. I can only stay under without the kids in the cab

Makes no sense at all to me.
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smurfs_of_war, I am curious what your TV and TT are. You can put them in your signature which would help forum members more fully answer your questions.
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smurfs_of_war, I am curious what your TV and TT are. You can put them in your signature which would help forum members more fully answer your questions.
I'll adjust my sig when I get back to my laptop

TV 2013 Laramie 1500 CC 5.7, 3.92, 8 SPD. I made sure to get the OEM class IV, TBC, ETC

TT 2007 Jay Feather 254 EXP 26'. 5900lbs gross, 5400- 5600 per scale ready to camp depending on length of stay. Haven't got my Sherline yet to weigh the tongue.

Passenger weight for us is a killer. I'm 240, my 15 year old son- 6'2 240lbs, my daughters are 250 combined. My wife weighs "DON'T YOU DARE!"

Ram payload numbers and calculations are all over the map pre sales. I did my math to make sure if I did end up with an overage on payload it was negligable if any- and I am ok with overages to an extent because it's tough to police all the time. It happens when towing with a large family and a half ton. Since it's a daily driver and family commuter, it is well optioned and I put about 30k a year on non towing for work- 2500 or 3500 were out of the question for this very reason, and also why we wanted a few creature comforts. Plus, my 83 year old grand mother needs to be able to get in and out of it. Can't see that with a 3500

Right now as it stands, we are going to either run it over the TV GVWR (with better shocks, bags, LT Tires and shed some weight like the steps, spare, trifold, skid plates, either a Reese DCSC or equalizer hitch) or run with two vehicles. We are leaning towards two vehicles since our destinations are close by and with two teens with summer jobs, it will probably be necessary anyways. I went to inquire about going to a 6.4 2500, but it's an extra 21000 for an SLT. I have already added the tires and bags, waiting on shocks. I like to change those regardless because I think the OEM components are junk. I know it's not the "right" answer, but within the next 3 years, we'll be empty nesters. All the weight problems will be off to college or jobs.

I am on the fence since the trailer is such a light weight. In fact to have enough sleeping room for all of us, they don't get much lighter. I spent two and a half years looking for an ultralight with an acceptable tongue weight for a half ton. Even if empty, my truck out weighs it. The wheelbase is only 5" shorter than my F150 was. Truthfully by the time I added the skid plates and audio equipment, trifold etc to the F150, the payload was about the same as the Ram. For some odd reason now though, it's bugging me. I think the door placard has a placebo effect of some sort.

Anyways, I am babbling. That's my story.
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Better understand your situation now. Two vehicle approach looks promising. If you plan on getting a larger (heavier) trailer, looking in my crystal ball I see a 2500 series truck in your future. My 96 year old mother used to have to crawl up into my Tundra. Kept a little step stool in the bed for that purpose. She is now in a better place. At least you are thinking about this stuff; looking at some of the rigs on the road many folks seem clueless.
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Better understand your situation now. Two vehicle approach looks promising. If you plan on getting a larger (heavier) trailer, looking in my crystal ball I see a 2500 series truck in your future. My 96 year old mother used to have to crawl up into my Tundra. Kept a little step stool in the bed for that purpose. She is now in a better place. At least you are thinking about this stuff; looking at some of the rigs on the road many folks seem clueless.
Actually, the plan is smaller, but one never knows.

With two vehicles I am under my GVWR on the Ram handily with me and DW, and that is the way we'll run it for a few years until the kidlets are on their way. I just can't fathom an HD for towing 3 trips of 300 kms a year with such a dinky little trailer

I guess for what it's worth, after talking with people at the sites we frequent, I am one of the few that isn't GROSSLY overloaded. Most just hook and go and have no idea. We had a family pull in beside us one day- an F150 5.4 Lariat (a heavyweight) with a 34' tag along (he told me the make and model but it escapes me at the moment), 5 big guys, the wife/ mother (she must have been in the glove compartment LOL), a dirtbike and a stack of wood in the bed up to the rails. I casually snuck a peek at the placard on the trailer: GVWR 11500lbs. I've overloaded plenty of times, 5-600 isn't hard without even realizing it, but I'd bet my next paycheck he was over by about 12-1500 lbs based on what I know about the F150 payloads for that year.

The SLT 2500 6.4 I was looking at stickered at 65,000. I just about puked when I saw that.

Our retirement plan-a well outfitted fiver with a 3500 DRW so we just load and go without a care
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