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Old 01-31-2014, 07:26 PM   #21
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Smurf - it looks like you have thought it out well. I didn't do as good of a job as you (2013 Laramie cc) and was on my way to jayco dealer to put a down payment on a 28dsbh....I stopped at a cat scale and weighed the truck with me, wife, and 3 and 6 year old boys....I was shocked when it came back at 6380lbs....gvw of my ram is 6800!! Needless to say we didn't get the camper and r trading it in on a 2014 3500 ctd (going with a fifth). If I would have done more homework like you, I could have saved a lot of money.
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Old 01-31-2014, 08:04 PM   #22
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What's great to see is that everyone seems to have a solid understanding of how TV & TT weights play into their respective TV/TT combinations, and focusing on TV Payload Capacities/GVWR's in the prior posts will be a valuable read for JOF members and forum lurkers.

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Old 01-31-2014, 08:12 PM   #23
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Smurf - it looks like you have thought it out well. I didn't do as good of a job as you (2013 Laramie cc) and was on my way to jayco dealer to put a down payment on a 28dsbh....I stopped at a cat scale and weighed the truck with me, wife, and 3 and 6 year old boys....I was shocked when it came back at 6380lbs....gvw of my ram is 6800!! Needless to say we didn't get the camper and r trading it in on a 2014 3500 ctd (going with a fifth). If I would have done more homework like you, I could have saved a lot of money.
Well, I wish I had done it better. I am really crippled on payload- horribly, and there isn't a stinking thing I can do. I used the online tools to help, even had the dealer do a VIN lookup that was supposed to give me the actual available payload- and I can safely say they are worthless! Now, I am completely stuck in this truck without a **** thing I can do. I remember your post about it on the Ram forum. I guess for the next few years we run like this- two vehicles until the youngins are off on their own, then we'll be ok on weights.

I guess I am just really flustered because I know these rules and researched the hell out of this truck before I gave them the go ahead to order it. Even then I got 4 different answers. So, I will beef it right up and run it. No choice at this point.

So if anybody takes anything from this- Rams pre sales tools are as worthless as the paper they are printed on. You have to buy off the lot so you can physically see the payload placard.

I ran my F150 overloaded periodically, and never realized it. All in all after I modded the F150 the payload available was only 50 lbs or so more than the Ram. It was SOLID though with brakes the size of a dinner table with an added leaf. Felt the same as unloaded. Axles were surprisingly rated only 150lbs heavier in the rear and lighter up front.
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Old 02-01-2014, 02:01 PM   #24
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The short bed on the Screw helps me keep the cargo weight down.
I'm in the same boat with a 2010 F150 SCrew. Had to do a lot of learning on this and other forums to completely understand the limits of my truck.

First the Cargo rating is anything in the truck above that which was included as shipped from the factory (including a full tank of gas). Everything else goes against payload. People (driver included), extra floor mats, bed liner, kids toys, fire wood and Tongue weight. Mine says 1258 for payload. Sure I pull my trailer just fine and it handles great. Depending on what I put in the trailer and the truck I can be over the payload "Rating" even though the frame, brakes etc may be able to handle more.

For me it is all about the"legal" payload the truck is rated for. That is what you need to check.

I'm in the market for an F250 for this very reason.

I was a towing newbie and listened to the dealer. They said, "don't worry you'll be fine....but the decision is yours in the end". In the end I need a bigger truck!!

Just for giggles, if I still have my F150 in the spring, I'm going to take my rig to the scales and take the measurements described in the sticky's above just to see where I'm at.
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Old 02-01-2014, 02:11 PM   #25
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I'm in the same boat with a 2010 F150 SCrew. Had to do a lot of learning on this and other forums to completely understand the limits of my truck.

First the Cargo rating is anything in the truck above that which was included as shipped from the factory (including a full tank of gas). Everything else goes against payload. People (driver included), extra floor mats, bed liner, kids toys, fire wood and Tongue weight. Mine says 1258 for payload. Sure I pull my trailer just fine and it handles great. Depending on what I put in the trailer and the truck I can be over the payload "Rating" even though the frame, brakes etc may be able to handle more.

For me it is all about the"legal" payload the truck is rated for. That is what you need to check.

I'm in the market for an F250 for this very reason.

I was a towing newbie and listened to the dealer. They said, "don't worry you'll be fine....but the decision is yours in the end". In the end I need a bigger truck!!

Just for giggles, if I still have my F150 in the spring, I'm going to take my rig to the scales and take the measurements described in the sticky's above just to see where I'm at.
I strongly believe the trucks can handle substantially more than what they are stickered for. I have done that multiple times... but... I won't fool with the safety on the roads for my kids and the family in a Honda in front of me. Can the truck handle it? Yup. I have no problems pushing it way past limits if it's just me in it on a backroad somewhere, and even in tow- I wouldn't even blink at a few hundred extra pounds on a 13k lbs rig. Where I get a little worried is when I have 3 tons on a ball behind me with my wife and 3 kids in there. I am just not willing to chance it- who knows what the weak link actually is and if/when it could fail?

So, I am in your position. I have my eyes open for an old used cummins 2500 I can pick up cheaply and park until we pull. Until then- we use a support vehicle.
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I strongly believe the trucks can handle substantially more than what they are stickered for. I have done that multiple times... but... I won't fool with the safety on the roads for my kids and the family in a Honda in front of me. Can the truck handle it? Yup. I have no problems pushing it way past limits if it's just me in it on a backroad somewhere, and even in tow- I wouldn't even blink at a few hundred extra pounds on a 13k lbs rig. Where I get a little worried is when I have 3 tons on a ball behind me with my wife and 3 kids in there. I am just not willing to chance it- who knows what the weak link actually is and if/when it could fail?

So, I am in your position. I have my eyes open for an old used cummins 2500 I can pick up cheaply and park until we pull. Until then- we use a support vehicle.
Amen!!

As I learned on my other post of the F150 vs F250, it's not just about towing up a hill, but controlling the descent as well. We want to go out to yellowstone and want to make sure my family is safe going through all the mountain roads with up to 8500lbs behind us. As I remember going out their with my mom and dad, there are some pretty wild, steep and sharp turns out there. That is where you DON'T want the weakest link to break!
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Amen!!

As I learned on my other post of the F150 vs F250, it's not just about towing up a hill, but controlling the descent as well. We want to go out to yellowstone and want to make sure my family is safe going through all the mountain roads with up to 8500lbs behind us. As I remember going out their with my mom and dad, there are some pretty wild, steep and sharp turns out there. That is where you DON'T want the weakest link to break!
I want to go there so badly! To be honest, we'd leave the trailer behind for that until we're near full timers, but even just a trip through there for a week or two in hotels would be terrific!

Safe travels!
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I want to go there so badly! To be honest, we'd leave the trailer behind for that until we're near full timers, but even just a trip through there for a week or two in hotels would be terrific!

Safe travels!
The family has food allergies so that was the whole reason to get a TT. That way we could take the kitchen with us...also drove us to the bigger TT. Kitchen and Food storage were key deciding factors. Now I need a bigger truck!
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The family has food allergies so that was the whole reason to get a TT. That way we could take the kitchen with us...also drove us to the bigger TT. Kitchen and Food storage were key deciding factors. Now I need a bigger truck!
It never seems to end, does it? Continuously upgrading something. I guess I count myself lucky that my kids are garbage cans and can eat anything. Although as you can see from earlier posts- this led to my weight problems LOL!

On a side note- purely interest only. I crawled around my truck yesterday and dropped the steps, skid plates, spare tire, jack, front recovery hooks and trifold. Filled the tank and rolled onto the scale: 230lbs off. Wow!
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