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Old 01-17-2014, 04:25 PM   #11
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I would be surprised if an eco would get decent mileage pulling...unless you are on flat land. Buddy has a 12 eco (i have 13 Ram) and he gets 12.5 mpg when we go to west va and back atv'ing. That is interstate and then windy mountain roads....700 miles round trip...I get about 12. If he is getting 12.5, with 3000 lbs behind him, I cant imagine it would do real good on mpg with 8k behind it in the hills. It does have some pep though and runs hard..lack of power is not an issue (I like the eco myself)...just not for pulling a large trailer in the hills
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:18 PM   #12
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I had a 2012 Ecoboost Lariat SuperCrew w/3.73 Max Tow Package. On a roundtrip from Seattle to San Diego and back last year I averaged a little over 10 mpg. Factoring in the Siskyous and Grapevine, plus the crazy stop and go traffic in the LAX area, I was satisfied with the fuel economy.

However please keep this in mind. While the Ecoboost has great torque and will take you up the hill with no problem, the engine braking is not very good going down the hill. Even with your trailer brake boost dialed in it was still unsatisfactory to me. The 6.2 was also an option at the time however I wanted the 6.5ft bed with the SuperCrew, which I couldn't find anywhere. I imagine the 6.2 while a fuel hog, would provide much better engine braking performance should you go that route.

If I had to do it over again and didn't have the option of moving up to a 3/4-1 ton, I would have been patient and gotten the F150 SuperCrew with the 6.2 and longer bed.

My new truck of course is a totally different beast - not much comparison there.
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:11 PM   #13
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Lots of good advice. Thanks a ton (or half ton :-) ). One other option I guess I could consider is a F150 HD payload with the 5.0 l. Ford does not offer the 6.2 l in the F150 with HD payload.

I'm going to the Detroit International Auto Show on Monday and will look through the F150 and F250. I'm also curious what is changing for the 2015 F250 that should be out this spring.

The engine braking while decending a long grade is something I did not cosider.

Sorry about avoiding the Chevy and Ram. My dad worked for Ford for 40 years and we bleed blue oval!! Plus he would probably change his will if I did not buy a Ford
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:39 PM   #14
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Tim, I think that your timing is awesome. The manufacturers have been in a serious "arms race" regarding trucks, and the performance, comfort, and technology on all trucks is just amazing.

One thing I forgot to mention is that with the Ecoboost I had a strange shudder caused by axle wrap due to the high torque. I'm not sure if the 6.2 was affected as well. This was solved by putting in a Roadmaster Active Suspension kit. No matter what package you get, please take a look at the door tag. For 1/2 tons it's the payload that runs out long before the tow rating.

Best of luck with your decision, and safe travels.
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:06 PM   #15
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I'm also curious what is changing for the 2015 F250 that should be out this spring.
Tim, if your interested in the 6.7l PSD, it will get an updated Garrett Turbocharger and a new high pressure fuel pump to take horsepower and torque into the unknown. Also, on my current F-250 PSD, in tow/haul, I just touch the brake pedal and the engine/transmission does most of the braking for me.
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Had a 2001 F150 5.4 towing my boat for quite sometime, was a dog going up hills but other then that good. If your going to be doing hilly driving with the rig I'd definitely go diesal. Totally different driving and it's fun to fly up the hills, half the time I don't even need to down shift and the breaking really is awsome. Still have my boat and towing it with the new truck is amazing, not kidding when it doesn't even feel like it's back there. Good luck!
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Old 01-18-2014, 11:47 AM   #17
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Tim, if your interested in the 6.7l PSD, it will get an updated Garrett Turbocharger and a new high pressure fuel pump to take horsepower and torque into the unknown. Also, on my current F-250 PSD, in tow/haul, I just touch the brake pedal and the engine/transmission does most of the braking for me.
I'm sure the diesel woudl be more than I need but would be a lot of fun. I can wait unitl mid summer before I upgrade, so I have some time to look at the 2015 SD. Also as I mentioned earlier, I'm going to the auto show this weekend, and I hope they have the 2015 SD on display. The fanfair is more with the 2015 amuminum bodied F150.

The Ford stage to announce the new products at the NAIAS (aka detroit auto show) was really cool. the entire stage and back wall are a projection screen. You can skip to the last 5-7 minutes if you only want to see the trucks without all the blah blah blah before hand. http://www.livestream.com/ford

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Had a 2001 F150 5.4 towing my boat for quite sometime, was a dog going up hills but other then that good. If your going to be doing hilly driving with the rig I'd definitely go diesal. Totally different driving and it's fun to fly up the hills, half the time I don't even need to down shift and the breaking really is awsome. Still have my boat and towing it with the new truck is amazing, not kidding when it doesn't even feel like it's back there. Good luck!
I would love to go Diesel. I worked on the engine controller for the 2008 SD 6.0l That is the last time I drove a Ford SD Diesel. I had to move a truck from one location to another and jumped right from the F350 to my F150. It made my F150 feel like a toy. I'm well aware of the tech they have had to add to the Diesels to make them emmissions compliant. A lot of extra maintenance costs going forward. I only drive 4 miles to work so my 4.6 l never warms up so I am averaging 14 mpg now, but get about 20 mpg on the highway (not towing). First trip gave me 9 mpg using cruise and about 10 mpg without cruise letting the rig slow down going up the grades. All the info I have been getting from this forum has me realizing it is just as or more important to understand the capability of the truck to maintain speed going down a grade.

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No matter what package you get, please take a look at the door tag. For 1/2 tons it's the payload that runs out long before the tow rating.
That's were I am now. My truck will tow the trailer, but I have to be very carful what and where I load. The HD F150 would give me an exta 1000 lbs of payload over where I am now. But I shure would like the extra safety margin of the 250. The only thing keeping me from Diesel is cost. I'll have to get some prices from my dealer to see what I would be talking about for the out the door pricing on a F150 HD (Ecoboost or 5.0 l), F250 6.2l and a F250 SD Diesel.
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Try this link to the media event instead of the link above;

http://livestre.am/4JXsI
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Tim,
I had a 2012 F150 Eco with max tow but no HD pkg and we upgraded to a 2013 Eagle 314BDS which was 8000lbs dry. I took my setup to a CAT scale and come to find out I was with in 200lbs of going over my cargo capacity which was @1650 on my door sticker with nothing in my truck but me and the camper was empty. The ecoboost had enough get up and go but you could tell the camper was back there, wasn't very stable. Fuel mileage not towing wasn't that great @15-16mpg and in the 9-10 range towing. Not feeling safe being that close to my cargo capacity limit I traded it in on a 2012 F350 6.2l. We took a 800 mile round trip to Boone, NC and I averaged 15.7mpg (unloaded) and stop and go @12-13 and towing our Eagle 9-10. We towed our Eagle close to 2500 miles last year and all I can say is that I am so happy that I got the F350. Travel to MA for a 800 mile round trip and it handled the Eagle with ease. If you have any questions for me please ask and I will try to help you out as much as possible. That being said, you having the large of a camper I would strongly recommend a super duty.
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Tim,

Snip....I traded it in on a 2012 F350 6.2l. We took a 800 mile round trip to Boone, NC and I averaged 15.7mpg (unloaded) and stop and go @12-13 and towing our Eagle 9-10. We towed our Eagle close to 2500 miles last year and all I can say is that I am so happy that I got the F350. Travel to MA for a 800 mile round trip and it handled the Eagle with ease. If you have any questions for me please ask and I will try to help you out as much as possible. That being said, you having the large of a camper I would strongly recommend a super duty.
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Eric,

Just curious why did you get a F350 vs a F250? I've never looked at the specs, so I just did. I don't see any real difference except for the available option to get DRW on the F350. There has to be some difference as the cost is about $800 more.
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