Ford F-150 Diesel

harryjr · 01-08-2018, 03:26 PM

Tow Cap: 11,400
Payload: 2020

Orders accepted mid-January

Could be quite popular in the RV world.

"The first pricing estimates we have from Ford peg the cost of a diesel as a $4000 upcharge over the 2.7-liter EcoBoost, a $2400 premium over the cost of a 3.5-liter EcoBoost, and $3000 more than a 5.0-liter V-8. (All figures are subject to change as official pricing is concluded.) Generally speaking, people who tow on a regular basis will see a quicker return on the investment, as diesels engines’ fuel economy tends to diminish less when towing. The twin-turbocharged elephant in the room is Ford’s own 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, which trumps the new diesel in raw output, coming in at 375 horsepower and 470 lb-ft of torque. When equipped to beat the diesel’s tow rating, though, it’s likely to prove much thirstier while doing so."

Link to the complete article below:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...ws&date=010818

ricemanwm · 01-08-2018, 06:16 PM

I’ve been following the development of this new F-150 Diesel for some time. The 2018 F150 Owners Manual addresses the new 3.0 Powerstroke. The Car and Driver report suggests it will only be available in the upper three trim models so the price will be quite high, we’ll have to see if that holds true when they finally roll it out. I owned a 1999 F350 Powerstroke and really enjoyed that truck except for it just being huge and not practical as a daily driver. I’m happy with the performance of my Colorado Duramax Diesel and it pulls my light weight SLX camper with ease but I’m certainly keeping a close eye on this new Ford F-150 Powerstroke. On another note, a 2019 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 was spotted at a test site in Arizona filling up with diesel.

Sundancer330 · 01-08-2018, 06:32 PM

To bad the payload is so low, the 3.0 only weighs 150# more than the 3.5 Eco but only offers 2,020# payload. For 2018 you can equip the F150 with the 5.0L “Coyote” V8 to get a maximum payload number of 3,270 lbs. This does require an optional suspension package.
Now thats some nice payload for a 1/2 ton.

ricemanwm · 01-08-2018, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundancer330

To bad the payload is so low, the 3.0 only weighs 150# more than the 3.5 Eco but only offers 2,020# payload. For 2018 you can equip the F150 with the 5.0L “Coyote” V8 to get a maximum payload number of 3,270 lbs. This does require an optional suspension package.
Now thats some nice payload for a 1/2 ton.

Looking at the 2018 F-150 Owners Manual and it looks like the 3.0 Powerstroke is only available in the 145” wheel base. The heavy duty payload package is not offered in this wheelbase on the ford website so that is probably a limiting factor on max payload. The GCWR of the 3.0 powerstroke is listed at 17100lbs for the 3.55 rear end and 15800lbs for the 3.31 rear end. Only these two rear ends are listed.

Quantum · 01-08-2018, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundancer330

To bad the payload is so low, the 3.0 only weighs 150# more than the 3.5 Eco but only offers 2,020# payload. For 2018 you can equip the F150 with the 5.0L “Coyote” V8 to get a maximum payload number of 3,270 lbs. This does require an optional suspension package.
Now thats some nice payload for a 1/2 ton.

Finding an F150 with the optional suspension package (Heavy Duty Payload Package) is RARE!

They don't make many and are mostly custom ordered.

The 2020lbs payload is huge, considering that it is based on the upper trim levels already, not a stripped down work truck.

The RAM has a payload rating of 1100-1600lbs for the ECOdiesel, so they've got them beat on the high end by 400lbs.

Since payload is the limiting factor for towing, not your tow rating, I'd say 2020lbs is a good start anyway.

**Crabman** · 01-08-2018, 08:13 PM

Is that an all new engine design? The truck sounds impressive but I would not touch one the first year or two if so....

Sundancer330 · 01-08-2018, 08:22 PM

Actually its a Range Rover Td6 diesel that has been around since 2015, its just tweaked a bit for the F150. So hopefully it has many test miles and most of the bugs worked out by now

Demiles · 01-09-2018, 04:20 AM

The diesel is available to fleet customers in XL and XLT trims and that payload number is from them not a Lariat plus trim. You might get 1800lbs on a Lariat. It’s 11400 TWR is just another unrealistic bloated number just like the rest of the f150 ratings. For those that commute high miles and occasionally tow 7500 lbs or less this is a viable option.

Quantum · 01-09-2018, 07:46 AM

My truck has 1800lbs payload and I'd be happy to see 1800lbs in a lariat diesel.

A colleague of mine has a2015 EcoDiesel and has a 900lb payload rating. It's a six passenger and he can't even take his entire family legally in his truck because he's over payload.

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SkyBound · 01-09-2018, 07:58 AM

Hmmmm. I've been awaiting this for some time now, and as a Ford enthusiast I have to say I'm kind of disappointed with what I've read about it. If the above comments are in fact true, I don't see the point. Power, payload, GCWR, nothing better than what's already offered. Slightly better fuel economy? Sure, but purchase price, fuel price (diesel is more expensive than regular right now) and maintenance costs will likely offset that unless you're towing constantly with it (in which case I would move up to a 3/4+ ton).

If the 3.0 powerstroke is only offered in the short wheelbase with highway gears then forget it.

curver900 · 01-09-2018, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundancer330

Actually its a Range Rover Td6 diesel that has been around since 2015, its just tweaked a bit for the F150. So hopefully it has many test miles and most of the bugs worked out by now

careful the 6.0 and 6.4 had the "same tweaks" done to a Navistar... with MILLIONS of "test" miles put on them... and we all know how that turned out...

**Midnightmoon** · 01-09-2018, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyBound

Hmmmm. I've been awaiting this for some time now, and as a Ford enthusiast I have to say I'm kind of disappointed with what I've read about it. If the above comments are in fact true, I don't see the point. Power, payload, GCWR, nothing better than what's already offered. Slightly better fuel economy? Sure, but purchase price, fuel price (diesel is more expensive than regular right now) and maintenance costs will likely offset that unless you're towing constantly with it (in which case I would move up to a 3/4+ ton).

If the 3.0 powerstroke is only offered in the short wheelbase with highway gears then forget it.

This is the exact reason that the Ram Ecodiesel and the Titan XD have not exactly exploded in the marketplace. When it is all said and done, the advantages of the diesel engine are quickly outweighed buy the limitations of the truck itself. Sure, some will buy these trucks and absolutely love what the package offers. But for the vast majority of buyers, they will simply opt for the gas offering or as you said, buy a 3/4 ton of their favorite brand for equal or sometimes less money.

I still have an interest in the Titan myself but have a difficult time justifying it when I can buy another Ram 2500 or Ford F250 for the same coin.

curver900 · 01-09-2018, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyBound

Hmmmm. I've been awaiting this for some time now, and as a Ford enthusiast I have to say I'm kind of disappointed with what I've read about it. If the above comments are in fact true, I don't see the point. Power, payload, GCWR, nothing better than what's already offered. Slightly better fuel economy? Sure, but purchase price, fuel price (diesel is more expensive than regular right now) and maintenance costs will likely offset that unless you're towing constantly with it (in which case I would move up to a 3/4+ ton).

If the 3.0 powerstroke is only offered in the short wheelbase with highway gears then forget it.

This is targeting the diesel market of the small trucks (Colorado etc.. ) Ford has no game in this arena... and the belief that diesel is cheaper and longer lasting than gas... of course here in the upper mid west the whole frame will rot out before the motor even a gas one goes poof... My concern will be warranty on the fuel delivery system.. or lack thereof...

I hope they all get in competition with diesel to be honest if they all make one and they go after each other on hp/torque that will be good for all of us.. and eventually a 1/2 ton will ride nice and be able to haul and carry a larger load... maybe some sort of electronic suspension stiffening mechanism.. one for day to day one for towing/hauling like push in the tow/haul button and everything tightens up.. wait that might be a good idea.. don't steal it...

but the price has to come down a $3000 or more premium is crazy.. of course when you are spending 50k what's another 10%? ...

**Crabman** · 01-09-2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by curver900

This is targeting the diesel market of the small trucks (Colorado etc.. ) Ford has no game in this arena... and the belief that diesel is cheaper and longer lasting than gas... of course here in the upper mid west the whole frame will rot out before the motor even a gas one goes poof... My concern will be warranty on the fuel delivery system.. or lack thereof...

I hope they all get in competition with diesel to be honest if they all make one and they go after each other on hp/torque that will be good for all of us.. and eventually a 1/2 ton will ride nice and be able to haul and carry a larger load... maybe some sort of electronic suspension stiffening mechanism.. one for day to day one for towing/hauling like push in the tow/haul button and everything tightens up.. wait that might be a good idea.. don't steal it...

but the price has to come down a $3000 or more premium is crazy.. of course when you are spending 50k what's another 10%? ...

On the HD trucks the diesel option is 9000 so 3 does not sound unreasonable?

curver900 · 01-09-2018, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Crabman

On the HD trucks the diesel option is 9000 so 3 does not sound unreasonable?

I didn't realized it was up to a $9k premium.. my guess then it is closer to 12% ... so around 5-6k... ??? That is a ALLOT of gas... yikes...

**Crabman** · 01-09-2018, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by curver900

I didn't realized it was up to a $9k premium.. my guess then it is closer to 12% ... so around 5-6k... ??? That is a ALLOT of gas... yikes...

Yes the diesel is around a 9k option on all the big 3 trucks above the base gas engine.

Quantum · 01-09-2018, 11:23 AM

I hear it's a $4000 upcharge over the 2.7l EcoBoost, so probably 3k over the 3.5l EcoBoost. That's a lot of gas. Plus diesel fuel is typically more expensive than gas.

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SkyBound · 01-09-2018, 11:29 AM

I just did a bit more reading about this option and really it's anything but exciting. 250hp and 440lb-ft with a 2000lb max payload? Weak. The EcoBoost option exceeds all aspects and it's a less expensive option! I really have to shake my head at this one. Lame.

It's unfortunate now that new designs are solely based on EPA emissions and fuel considerations which this F-150 diesel idea screams of.

Mdiwade · 01-09-2018, 05:20 PM

OK, a month or so ago I had to go out and get a real job working as a salesman at a Ford Dealership. I kinda had to keep my mouth closed for a bit but the release came out today. Most of what is said above it true, but needs clarification.

Here is a snip before the link.

The all-new 3.0-liter Power Stroke is available for both 4x2 and 4x4 F-150 pickups. Retail customers can choose this engine option for 2018 F-150 Lariat, King Ranch and Platinum edition SuperCrew trucks with either a 5.5-foot or 6.5-foot bed configuration, and SuperCab trucks with a 6.5-foot bed configuration.
For fleet customers who use their truck for work, the 3.0-liter Power Stroke diesel engine will be available on all F-150 trim levels with SuperCrew 5.5-foot or 6.5-foot bed configurations and SuperCab trucks with a 6.5 foot bed.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...50-diesel.html

LiftedAWDAstro · 01-09-2018, 05:27 PM

I see the diesel option being viable for those that run a lot of highway miles. I bet it gets nearly 30 mpg consistently while on a trip, not towing anything. I doubt the buyers of this engine will be buying it for towing a travel trailer. It will be a mileage thing for sure. Like the Ram Eco diesel, it is really made for economy where the guy who travels with his wife and kids and only wants to drive his truck. My wife and I drive my crew cab diesel long box on trips over her new Grand Cherokee Limited, simply due to better ride, comfier seats and a LOT more room! Those are the guys who will buy an F150 crew cab Lariat diesel.

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