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Old 09-29-2016, 07:20 PM   #41
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lol. i hear yeah brother.. happy wife happy life.

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Old 09-30-2016, 12:56 AM   #42
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Congrats! Post up some pics I would love to see them I'm happy with my discussion, with the 4.10 gears I think that you made the right choice by going with the 4.10 gears.
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Every time I bought a gasser sooner or later I always wished I had bought the diesel. So this year I bought a 2007 Dodge 2500 6.7L Cummins. In June we bought a new 27BHS Jayco. There is a fairly steep canyon just outside of Salt Lake called Parleys Canyon. The truck pulled that trailer over the top at 60 mph cruise control was on. 4th gear 2500 rpm. It wasnt having any issues. For that reason alone I'd buy the diesel.
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Old 10-03-2016, 01:16 PM   #44
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Mike,

I currently own a GMC 2500 Duramax/Allison and would recommend that combination to anyone looking to tow on a regular or semi-regular basis. I also live in the Midwest and tow mostly here in Michigan. My wife are planning to start taking our kids to different parts of the country and will really appreciate the power and fuel economy of the diesel when taking these longer trips with more elevation change. As far as the maintenance of a diesel, it really isn't bad. Your DEF will run around $20 every 5,000-8,000 miles and I change my own oil for around $36 (10 qt./2.5 gallons of oil & filter) around 7,000 miles. Right now in Michigan diesel fuel is on par with regular unleaded so I will take the efficiency, additional torque and longevity.

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Old 10-03-2016, 01:18 PM   #45
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I have a 2011 GMC 2500HD with the Duramax. At the time I got it, I knew I was going to get a new trailer, but I wasn't sure which way I was going to go, TT or 5er. I wanted to ensure I had enough truck no matter what I got for a trailer.

We decided 3 years ago on a 2013 Eagle TT. But we weren't entirely happy with it. So this past spring we traded it on a 2016 Eagle HT 29.5 FBDS.

I had a bed topper/cap on the truck with the Eagle TT. My observed mileage pulling the TT was about 10.5 to 11.5 MPG.

Because I decided to get the 5er, I sold the bed topper/cap and got a 4 panel tonneau folding cover. Pulling the 5er, I was surprised to see my mileage went up to around 12 to 13 MPG. Loaded, the trailer is about 9500 to 10000 lbs and once I get up to speed, I can't hardly tell it's back there.

I have zero regrets with the truck. The only regret was I didn't get the 5er in the same floor plan in 2013 when it was being made in the Eagle model line.
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MWILDER: IMO if you stick with the Whitehawk 24 MBH, a gas engine will do nicely especially with a bigger engine but even with a lower axle ratio like 3.73. But if you think you might be moving up in the future, maybe a diesel might be the way to go. Remember camping is like liquor or drugs. Tents lead to popup's. Popup's lead to travel trailers. Travel trailers lead to fifth wheels. Fifth wheels lead to class A motor homes.
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Old 10-03-2016, 01:25 PM   #46
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We bought a 2016 2500HD with Duramax and Allison Transmission. It has a 3.73 ratio axle. I could not be more pleased with any other vehicle. We get 11-12 MPG towing a 28DSBH that weighs around 7000# loaded. We get 22-24 MPG on the road not towing.
We used to tow with a Yukon XL with a gas engine. I only used non-ethynol gas and sometimes it was hard to find. You can get Diesel fuel most anywhere. As far as the DEF fluid goes, It uses about 1 gallon per 1000 miles.
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Old 10-03-2016, 01:33 PM   #47
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You could tow that with a 1500/F150 so you'll be fine with the 2500 in pretty much any configuration you can get.
A 'second' to Bansai's input; my new F150 has 1771# payload and rated at 10,700 towing capacity, and walks right down the road with our 28RBKS White Hawk (also with added Firestone Ride Rite air bags). ANY 3/4T truck, gas or diesel, will pull the trailer you have with ease.

I considered buying a 3/4T, but this truck is my every day driver. If I'd have bought a Super Duty just to pull the trailer on a half-dozen local weekend trips, and a couple 4-or-5 day vacations each year, I'd have sort of felt like I built an entire church just for Easter Sunday...
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Old 10-03-2016, 01:41 PM   #48
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I sold my dodge diesel as I didn't need it to tow my White Hawk I purchased a Ford F-150 Ecoboost with heavy tow package and I tow my 30' whitehawk no problems and have the benefits of just having a lightweight f150 v6 to drive ... I pull it over mountaineous routes without any issues and often pass other truck struggling to pull less trailers
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One more thought that has nothing to do with towing capacity.

Fueling on the road may be easer with a diesel than with a gasser. Sometimes the gas pumps are in the front with little room to maneuver your rig. Diesel pumps that accommodate 18 wheelers give you a lot more room.
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Having owned and towed with 1500 and 2500 gassers, and now driving my 10-year old 2500HD Duramax LBZ:
1) 1500 gassers - most have payload ratings that will hardly let you fill four seats and a full gas tank without already being overweight. Much less adding 500-1000lbs of tongue weight and another 500lbs of gear (contrary to marketing gooblygook, its the payload rating that limits what RV you can/should actually tow, NOT the so-called tow rating). I started out this way, scary experience.
2) 2500. Ahh. Much better...towing can actually be FUN!
3) 2500HD diesel. And now we have real torque. More FUN! I saw some posts warning of increased maintenance costs. I do all my own, the extra $30-40 per oil change is nothing in the long run. Especially consiidering 8mpg gasser towing vs 13mpg diesel towing. And the diesel is way more fun to drive both empty and loaded.

Tow just a few times a year, imo 2500 gasser. Tow a lot, or just plain like torque towing or not, imo diesel.
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Old 10-03-2016, 03:10 PM   #51
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My oil changes cost more, but not twice as much, and I do them half as often. I found a deal on fuel filters, and it costs about $50- every 15K miles to change them both. I do it all myself, and it's not hard... none of it. I don't spend more maintaining my CTD than my F-150, and feel a lot safer, and better towing. As an added advantage, I get 13 mpg towing with the diesel as opposed to 8.5 to 10 with the gas 5.0. But the real reason I went to a bigger truck was safety. I went diesel because of the towing power, but you have to decide if it's worth $7K more to you. If you don't upgrade to a larger trailer, a 1/2-ton gasser will do OK. If you tow a lot, a 3/4 diesel or even a 1-ton would be better... in my opinion. Safe travels...
Agree with all of the above! But would love to know where you found a deal like that on those fuel filters!
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Old 10-03-2016, 03:24 PM   #52
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Had a dodge 2500 hemi... got 10-12 mpg... bought dodge 3500 diesel... 22mpg and toes like there is nothing behind me... I'm all over the diesel will never go back to gas!
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I drive a Chevy 2500HD with a 28BHBE. We race MX, so when we head to the races , we a have a#220 and all the gear. Camper is loaded(dry camping at tracks) 70 gallons of water. That puts us around 8000#+ -
Live in CT, we race all of New England, New York and as far south as North Carolina. 8.5-9 MPG average on all trips. North Carolina area where it's a little flatter, 10+. Without the camper, averaging about 14.5-15MPG.
There is an article(ton of them actually) about gas vs diesel. Basically if you buy brand new, you'll have to drive about 150,000 miles to make up the price difference
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I need some serious advice and thought this community would be able to offer some.

Before I purchase a new GMC Sierra 2500HD with the 6.0L gas engine and 4.10 axel, please give your qualified experienced advice. Should I get the DuraMax diesel for about $8,000 more? Will a 2500HD gasser be adequate?

I'm towing a Jayco Whitehawk 24 MBH. Dry weight is 5600lbs. Overall capacity is 6800 lbs. Traveling mainly with two people and gear. Most driving will be around midwest, but some trips to Rockies and Smokies, etc.

Thanks much,

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I was faced with this same decision 5 years ago. Had a 3/4 Suburban 8.1 gas engine that was struggling with pulling our 28' Jayco Jayflite. The best answer for us was an F250 Ford 6.7 SuperDuty diesel. It is 400HP, 800 ft. torque. after a year, we decided to purchase a 40' Jayco Pinnacle 5th wheel and the Ford pulls it with ease and gets 11-12MPG doing it. 87K miles later, the for is doing a great job and will for many more years to come!
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What ever you buy make sure it has the towing package mainly for the transmission oil cooling package. GMC/Chevy with an Allison Transmission is an absolute work of art, but it needs its juice to be in a good operating range temperature wise.
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Old 10-04-2016, 05:52 AM   #56
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Our 2007 GMC 2500HD CC 6.0L pulls our Jayflight 26RKS with no problem at all.. One suggestion is that once you put that Trailer on and turn on the Key to start the engine the next move is Push The Tow Haul button it will make for a great day driving down the highway... I was only using it when I started out until someone told me leave it engaged as long as the trailer is hooked up .. and I have to tell you it made one heck of a difference on how we pulled our trailer..... Good luck, by the way, what is the tow capacity of the 2016 gasser?
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I tow my White Hawk with a 2016 F-150 V8 5.0 with a 3.55 rear end with no problem. I still get 14 mpg with it and it has the capacity for 9,000 lbs.
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I agree. I have a white hawk 27rlds and 2011 gmc 1500. We are well within the 9500lb tow ingredients max and it has no problems in the eastern mountain ranges. If we upgrade to a larger than or 5th I would be asking the same question. For now my truck does the job and still has good fuel economy and resale value
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Agree with all of the above! But would love to know where you found a deal like that on those fuel filters!
They get shipped to me free... We're Amazon Prime members. This set is $49.95.

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I haven't read the entire thread so I apologize if this has been suggested already, but the new Titan XD seems to be a nice fit between a 1500 and 2500.


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