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Old 07-14-2020, 04:54 AM   #1
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Help with tow vehicle please

Hi all,
Just sold my 2006 Chevy Silverado extended cab long bed 4x4 8.1l gas with 4.10 gears. We tow a 2017 Eaggle HT 29.5BHDS. Probably go to a bigger Eagle in about 2-3 years possibly the 357MDOK.
I am currently looking at Chevy CC SB around years 2014 to 2017. Looking to spend up to $35,000. Ive noticed fifth wheel tow capacity from the 6.6 diesel to 6.0 gas is about the same. Can anyone explain this and what direction I should go in?

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if you don't need the diesel get the 6.0 gas it is hardy and long lasting... and none of the issues of the diesel.. says the guy who has a diesel...
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There is a lot of factors that go into two capacity. All trucks across all manufacturers and trim packages have similarities and differences.
In short; yes a diesel and a gasser can have the same tow capacity. However when you drill down into the issue, you will see differences in the trucks. Trim package, rear end gearing, transmission, etcetera and so on.
In general, all things considered equal, (same model year, same trim package, same gearing.... The diesel in this instance may have a higher tow cap, it could be the same, depending on manufacture. However, in most cases the diesel will have a higher tow capacity and the gasser will have a higher payload. Yet, the diesel will do better when it comes to getting the load moving and in general towing in hilly terrain.

Believe it or not, not to long ago I was researching a friends 2018 Ford F-350 SRW short box, diesel. I was surprised to find an F250 of the same model year, same engine, same rear end gear, same short box that had a higher payload than the F350. Of course there were other differences to the two trucks. Trim package was one.
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I have a 2015 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi. While it towed our 2015 BHBE easily, our WV mountain terrain put quite a bit of stress on the transmission and engine. I believe the diesel with exhaust brake is far better suited for mountainous terrain. So, I believe your driving area is quite important to this decision. If you are comfortable with a diesel's maintenance or don't mind paying for it, then my vote would be for diesel. As to why a gas and diesel have the same capacity, it is related to trim packages adding or subtracting weight overall to the truck. Also, new trucks have listed higher towing capacity. Towing capacity is a fallacy. Look at GVWR and axle ratings, they will give you a better idea of the trucks true capability.
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Thanks guys. Is the consensus diesel to get the camper rolling?
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I didn't have any problem getting mine rolling at 7500 lbs or so.
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If youíre going to a bigger Eagle some day, Iíd say get a diesel, budget permitting. Iíve had an HT and now a larger Eagle. My diesel works harder with the Eagle than it did with the HT. I think part of this is due to weight but mostly due to the larger frontal surface area. This is reflected in my fuel mileage. Also, while the 6.0 in that year range is a very good engine as far as dependability it can be a dog if not mated with correct rear end. I owned one with the 3.73, and it could hardly get out of itís own way. If you must go that route, look for 4.10 gearing. But really, if an Eagle in your future....diesel. Not because thatís the only way to do it, but because youíll enjoy the towing experience much more.
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So this is the truck on radar.
2016 Chevy Silverado LT Z71. Crew Cab. Regular bed. 6.6l diesel. 4x4. 98kmiles
$36,000.00
Pennsylvania truck,half its time in Florida. One owner. Clean Carfax
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I believe that is the last year they put in the bosh CP4 high pressure pump... I would look to a 17 or change it out to a CP3... failure of the CP4 is well documented...
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I believe that is the last year they put in the bosh CP4 high pressure pump... I would look to a 17 or change it out to a CP3... failure of the CP4 is well documented...

Good point. I had a 16, and while I never had an issue, I still made the switch to a Ď19 motivated by the new fuel pump design. Most of the LMLís donít have issues but always a possibility. Get the fuel at busy stations and change out the filter every other oil change as a preventative measure.
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I have pulled with both a gas and diesel. Both worked well. What I like most about the diesel is the Exhaust brake. It really helps to slow things down.

Good luck you in your decision making process.
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Thanks guys. Is the consensus diesel to get the camper rolling?
The consensus really doesn't matter. In the end it is your decision not any of ours.

Another thing to consider: Is this truck going to be a daily driver? If so, how far/how much time will be the majority of the commute?

While newer diesels don't suffer many of the issues of the older ones, it is still not the best of things mechanically for the diesel to be used daily for short commutes... say half hour or less.
Diesels are more efficient at running long periods than gassers.

As you can see from my signature, I run an older Ram with a 5.7 hemi gasser engine. My toy hauler when fully loaded with the water tank and onboard gas tank full and with my Argo inside reaches just over 8k pounds. With the manual transmission and low first gear, I never have an issue getting the whole works rolling. Where the big difference comes is on grades. The diesels definitely do better going up steep grades and will leave me in the dust; as I usually end up comfortably climbing steep grades in 3rd gear running around 45-50MPH. Which is just fine with me, after all I'm not in a race.
Like I said earlier. In the end, it is your decision. You are the one to live with the consequences (good and bad) of your decision.

The vehicle you are targeting, I am sure will work great for. Happy trails and best of luck.
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Fuel pump

Thanks for the info. Maybe its best to stay away from anything under 2016?
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the issue is the CP4 earlier trucks had CP3's which don't have the issue with the ultra low sulfur... the CP4 is still being used Fords I believe...
It is one of those, at 100+k miles will it fail and cost me $12+K to fix or not... some have done preventive maintenance and put in a lift pump or replaced the CP4 with a CP3... It is a consideration or just another data point...

If it where me I would look at a 2018 or 2019 but depends on your pocket book of course...
I would also seriously consider a 6.0 as those have remarkable longevity....
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