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Old 07-08-2012, 02:17 PM   #11
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Pulled our Jayco 1998 Jayco 223 5th wheel for 7 yrs behind our F150 short bed 1/2 ton.
Coast to to coast, up hills, down hills, and around the curves. Never an issue!
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:20 AM   #12
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While on vacation I saw a number of 5th's being pulled by an F150. Most notable was a 351MKTS or 351RLTS being pulled by a newer F150. I remember thinking to myself that I got a Superlite mainly because I only have an F250 Diesel. I am not a weight cop, but a larger 5th being pulled by an F150 doesn't seem right to me.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:25 AM   #13
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there 's a lot of talk on forums about towing 5th wheel
With half-ton trucks but it's all over the place.....snip
IMO that's because some folks believe in using TV & FW manufactures specified weight limits, and others don't (which is ok as well).

When one uses the manufactures weight limits and also thinks in terms of a "loaded" TV, FW, and pin weight, IMO the answer is pretty simple when looking at most 1/2 tons. The new F150 Ecoboost with the offered tow package has an attractive payload capacity, but even it has it's limits with many "loaded" FW's.

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snip.......Future plans?
A FW isn't in my immediate plans, but if one was I would not be using my existing 2500HD 6.0L/4.10...., but then I'm one of those guys that believes working within specified weight limits is the way to go (and I tend to load on the heavy side).

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Old 07-22-2012, 10:02 AM   #14
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snip...... isn't the tongue weight limit a function of the hitch's capability with tow behinds but payload capability is what determines how much weight you could handle with a 5th wheel?.....snip
Mike,

In many cases a TV's OEM receiver weight carrying and WD mode weight limits are the weakest link, thus the limiting factor. But in many of the same case upgrading the TV's receiver may allow for a heavier TT and tongue weight, but now one of the TV's weight limits (payload, GVWR, GCVWR, GAWR, etc.) may become the limiting factor. Remember, tongue weight is subtracted from the TV's payload capacity.

It's always good to check the owners manual for any "small print" that may state that upgrading an OEM receiver will void the warranty......, in the event that the rear frame mounting area isn't designed for the heavier weights.

Your correct that a TV's payload capacity is directly associated to a FW's loaded pin weight. The recommend loaded pin weight range is 15% to 25% (many use 20%) of the loaded FW weight. But of course the FW's loaded weight ideally should be within the TV's remaining specified weight limits.

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Old 07-22-2012, 12:26 PM   #15
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While on vacation I saw a number of 5th's being pulled by an F150. Most notable was a 351MKTS


Length 39'6"
Hitch Weight 2,225 lbs
Dry Weight 11,175 lbs
Slides 3
or 351RLTS


being pulled by a newer F150. I remember thinking to myself that I got a Superlite mainly because I only have an F250 Diesel. I am not a weight cop, but a larger 5th being pulled by an F150 doesn't seem right to me.
I tow the Eagle Superlite HT 23.5
Length: 25 ft 8 in
Hitch Weight 1159 lbs
Dry Weight: 5,875 lbs
with a 1/2 ton and power is certainly not an issue, tows very well.
But even with the heavy payload capacity of the F150, the 351MKTS or RLTS is wayyyyyy up there in weight! that is PAST pushing the limit of the truck. I wonder how he evens gets the thing moving at all.
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I wonder how he would stop, or an emergency maneuver.
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I was camped to a very nice family this weekend, however, I was quite suprised to learn that he was towing with a V6 Dodge Ram Quad cab. My first thought was how even even got there, due to the fact that the roads to the campground had quite a few hills with a high " pucker" factor, IMHo. Granted it was an older model without a slide and may have been just over the GVWR, but i would think at a minimum that is pushing the limits, and increasing the wear & tear on the TV.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:14 PM   #18
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I was camped to a very nice family this weekend, however, I was quite suprised to learn that he was towing with a V6 Dodge Ram Quad cab. My first thought was how even even got there, due to the fact that the roads to the campground had quite a few hills with a high " pucker" factor, IMHo. Granted it was an older model without a slide and may have been just over the GVWR, but i would think at a minimum that is pushing the limits, and increasing the wear & tear on the TV.
Why would anybody purchase a v-6 in a full size truck?? And why would anyone purchase the little trucks like Rangers and Dakota? What's the point?

Long story short, I (40 something woman) go to the Dodge dealership and ask to see trucks I should get for towing a TT. The guy takes me to the Rams with the Hemi but does not talk about 3/4 ton and axle ratio or tires etc...
I blame myself for trusting what he said and not researching more but it's a big truck and has tons of power and glory lol
So it pulls the little Eagle (eagle super lite HT 23.5) no problem but if given the choice at the time, I would have bought the 3/4 ton.
So far, very happy with pulling power and all. I will keep using it until I see it's not enough, then, I will trade it in, but if all is well and truck is pulling and stopping well, we'll keep towing the little Eagle with it.
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Boubou, personally I have had both a Ranger and currently have a Dakota. The Ranger fit my needs when I was in my 20’s. I camped a lot (backpacking & canoeing) and single. It got 29 mpg on a regular basis. Ford did not recommend any towing with mine as it was a 4 cylinder with dual ignition (8 plugs). Great truck with lots of power, but I did not buy it to pull a trailer. My Dakota has the worst configuration for towing capacity (Quad cab, 4x4). It has a tow capacity of 5700 lbs. A two wheel drive regular cab with a tow package has a tow capacity of 7000 lbs. When I bought it, it fit my needs and a lot more, it easily pulls both the utility & canoe trailers. We had the intensions to purchase a popup, but never found one we liked. We now pull our hybrid with easy. It is more than enough truck for our needs. I have no desire ever to purchase and pull one of the big trailers. Another selling point for us; the Dakota barely fits in our very low height, short garage. I have to admit I have seen what I thought was small trucks and SUVs pulling trailers that I thought were too big for them.
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Mike,

In many cases a TV's OEM receiver weight carrying and WD mode weight limits are the weakest link, thus the limiting factor. But in many of the same case upgrading the TV's receiver may allow for a heavier TT and tongue weight, but now one of the TV's weight limits (payload, GVWR, GCVWR, GAWR, etc.) may become the limiting factor. Remember, tongue weight is subtracted from the TV's payload capacity.
Thanks, Bob... that makes perfect sense.

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Your correct that a TV's payload capacity is directly associated to a FW's loaded pin weight. The recommend loaded pin weight range is 15% to 25% (many use 20%) of the loaded FW weight. But of course the FW's loaded weight ideally should be within the TV's remaining specified weight limits.

Bob
I would assume you're referring to the TV's GCVWR and GAWRs when you say "the TV's remaining specified weight limits." That sounds right. You'd also have to factor in the weight of the FW hitch since that probably adds a couple hundred pounds as well. If we're on the same page, it sounds like many of the HT models of FW's today potentially fall within the weight limits of current 1500 model trucks.

So I guess the most compelling reason for going to a FW vs. a TT is that it makes for an easier or more stable tow. Otherwise the floorplans and amenities seem about the same between FWs and TTs... or am I missing something?
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