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03-07-2018, 06:59 PM
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Jayco travel trailer allowable Cargo weight
So my wife and I are currently in camping preparation mode as we have our first shakedown trip in our first camper planned for Easter weekend. We have slowly begun getting everything loaded into the camper and I have been trying to keep an eye on weight added to the camper until I can run the truck and trailer across a scale once I have it dewinterized and full of fresh water.
My Jayco 224BH has a GVW of 5500 and a yellow sticker weight dry weight of 4582. We plan to boondocks a lot so we will be traveling with a full 42 gallon fresh tank so our allowable cargo weight is approximately 600 lbs. Assuming 15% tongue weight means approximately 825 lbs is transferred to my tow vehicle.
My question is weather or not the weight from the camper that is transferred to my truck in the form of tongue weight adds to the cargo carrying capacity of the trailer? So for example 600lbs + 825lbs for a total allowable cargo weight of 1425lbs. Or am I limited to only putting 600lbs of items in the camper?
I'm not so concerned about a heavy tongue weight as I have a 10k/1000lb equalizer and I have over 1200lbs of available payload on my TV after subtracting myself, wife, dog, tools and tonneau cover off of the door sticker.
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03-07-2018, 08:29 PM
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Pretty sure this is right. The tongue weight gets taken off your TV available capacity. It still counts as weight in your trailer though as it is actually in your trailer. The weight distribution hitch helps to spread the weight to the front axle and trailer axles so the rear axle of the truck isnt feeling the full tongue weight of the trailer. At least thats the way i think it works. Maybe im going to get a lesson here too
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03-07-2018, 10:03 PM
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You may be making this more complicated than it really is. Doesn't matter whether the trailer's weight is carried by the axles or the hitch - GVW is the trailer plus cargo, period. And for safety's sake your trailer's gross weight (trailer plus cargo) may not exceed the GVWR. Your planning numbers look right, including the 825 lb. tongue weight. And given that water weighs about 8 lb. per gallon, it sounds like you're planning cargo correctly. So load it up and head for the scale, then you'll know for sure where you're at.
Good luck and enjoy!
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03-08-2018, 07:20 AM
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Even though the truck is carrying the tongue weight, it is still a part of the trailer's total weight. Chances are you won't be right up at 825lbs since that's assuming the full 15% of the full rated weight, but maybe 700-750 realistically. You've got the right idea of subtracting the water weight from your trailer's payload (5500-4582=918lbs). You'll have to be careful how much gear you put in your trailer to not exceed that - if you have leftover payload in the truck then carry it there if needed.
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03-08-2018, 07:39 AM
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I would be more concerned about the gross axle weight rating of the trailer since that’s your maximum total weight of the trailer. Hitch weight figures into that calculation depending on how the WDH is adjusted. I call Jayco once and asked them if their weight of the trailer was with or without the hitch weight and they couldn’t give me an answer.
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03-08-2018, 08:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnWedell
I would be more concerned about the gross axle weight rating of the trailer since that’s your maximum total weight of the trailer. Hitch weight figures into that calculation depending on how the WDH is adjusted. I call Jayco once and asked them if their weight of the trailer was with or without the hitch weight and they couldn’t give me an answer.
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This is a good point. Some trailers in this 5500# GVWR weight class are delivered with 2 2500# axles and some with 2 3500# axles. That will make a difference in this conversation.
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03-08-2018, 09:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnightmoon
This is a good point. Some trailers in this 5500# GVWR weight class are delivered with 2 2500# axles and some with 2 3500# axles. That will make a difference in this conversation.
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That is a good point, I will crawl under my camper and see if I can pull any information off the axles to help answer this question. Also in looking at Jayco's website the 224BH is now listed with a GVWR of 6000lbs. I am not sure if this was recently updated or what the story is.
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03-11-2018, 05:07 PM
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The total axle carrying capacity, 1 or 2 axles, should be equal or higher than the GVWR of your trailer.
If not the engineers dropped the ball and you have a unsafe trailer.
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03-11-2018, 05:20 PM
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Axle weight does not always equal gvwr. My trailer has a gvwr of 16,500 lbs. but only has 2 7000lb axles. That's because they know that at least 3000lbs. will be on hitch which will leave 13,500 on the 14,000 lb axles. Still to close, should have put 8,000lb axles but they cut every corner so they can save money.
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03-11-2018, 05:21 PM
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I was under the trailer today and my axles are rated for 3500 lbs each. Is it common that the GVWR is 1,500lbs less than the total axle weight ratings?
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03-11-2018, 05:25 PM
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Subtract your hitch weight.
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03-11-2018, 05:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannon
Axle weight does not always equal gvwr. My trailer has a gvwr of 16,500 lbs. but only has 2 7000lb axles. That's because they know that at least 3000lbs. will be on hitch which will leave 13,500 on the 14,000 lb axles. Still to close, should have put 8,000lb axles but they cut every corner so they can save money.
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As Roger stated the GVW of the trailer is a firm # regardless of hitch weight on the tow vehicle.
I would hope the TT is engineered with axles to carry that max weight,
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03-11-2018, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Psucivil13
I was under the trailer today and my axles are rated for 3500 lbs each. Is it common that the GVWR is 1,500lbs less than the total axle weight ratings?
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Good you have axles rated to carry more than the GVWR of your trailer.
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03-11-2018, 09:48 PM
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My 23RB is like that. Axles equal 7000# (3500# each) ,while the GVWR is only 6500#. And the 4 tires, GY Endurance 15" LRD tires, equal 8600 pounds.
Jayco did not cut the weight corners on my 23RB.
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Originally Posted by Wireman
Good you have axles rated to carry more than the GVWR of your trailer.
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03-12-2018, 05:23 PM
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My 28BHBE is rated at 9250# but has 2 - 4400# axles. Has 1200# on the tongue or jack so it isn't a concern. It would have been nice if the axles were Dexters' rated at say 5000# each, but they saved $100 per camper doing it that way.
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03-12-2018, 05:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wireman
The total axle carrying capacity, 1 or 2 axles, should be equal or higher than the GVWR of your trailer.
If not the engineers dropped the ball and you have a unsafe trailer.
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Total axle capacity does not always equal GVWR. GVRW does include tongue weight but they take that into consideration when sizing axles. Mine has GVRW of 16,500 lbs but only has 2 7000lb axles for a total of 14,000lbs. Thats because they know at least 3000lbs will be hitch weight leaving 13,500 on axles.
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03-12-2018, 07:18 PM
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Don't forget the tires. Most original equipment tires match the gvrw closely. But every year I believe they lose some capacity. And that capacity assumes you keep them fully inflated.
A lot of us upgrade to a higher weight rating for those reasons.
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03-14-2018, 11:41 AM
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I have owned 2 Jay Flight trailers - one was a 19ft 5900lb GVWR, and my current one is 28ft 7500lb GVWR. BOTH HAVE THE SAME AXLES AND TIRES (3500lb Dexters, LR C TowMax tires). My previous one was way over-axled (a good thing) and this one was right at the max, causing one to bend from responsible use. I now have upgraded axles.
Like with anything in this RVing and towing world, a margin or buffer is a really good thing. If you have more axle than you need, that's great. Chances are something else would be limiting GVWR.
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