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Old 10-08-2015, 09:23 AM   #11
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I was thinking something similar on my 2012 GMC Sierra 1500. The yellow sticker said 1474 for occupants and cargo. Just about every other Sierra 1500 I heard about was higher than that (granted, I never looked at other door pillars or contacted GM about it). I traded that truck on a RAM 2500 and never worried about it again, but that always stuck in the back of my mind as odd.

Aside from solving the mystery of the number on the sticker, the true number is the GVWR minus the scale weight gives you your remaining payload capacity.
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:34 AM   #12
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I tend to believe that is correct too. As long as the individual axle weights are respected. I just want to make sure there is no other limit that Im missing. I waiting for an answer from the technical department at Jeep as to how the come up with 1050. In the mean time I think Ill start another thread to see what number other Grand Cherokee owners have.
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Old 10-30-2016, 08:41 AM   #13
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I tend to believe that is correct too. As long as the individual axle weights are respected. I just want to make sure there is no other limit that Im missing. I waiting for an answer from the technical department at Jeep as to how the come up with 1050. In the mean time I think Ill start another thread to see what number other Grand Cherokee owners have.
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Did you ever get a response from Jeep on this?

I am looking into pulling a trailer as well, but just realized that my tire and loading placard states 1050, not the 1270 I had previously seen in the spec sheets for my diesel Grand Cherokee Limited.

I believe the issue to be the optional 20" tires the dealer had added to this vehicle. These tires have a lower weight rating than the 18" tires that come stock on the Limited. The Summit comes stock with the 20" tires and therefore shows the same limit of 1050.

It's a shame that they allow the tow package and "premium" tire package to be combines together when the tires reduce the effective towing capability by 220 lbs of tongue weight! This is a huge problem for families!

I am now looking into buying new tires for the Grand Cherokee. The load index on the 18" stock tires is 110 while the load index on the 20" stock tires is 107. I do not know how that correlates to the tire placard, but I see that I can buy a new 20" tire with a load index of 111. I that that would be more than sufficient to safely load 1300 lbs of payload.

Does anybody else have thoughts on this?
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Old 10-31-2016, 02:38 PM   #14
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A load rating of 107 is 2149lbs per tire. If you rear axle rating is less than the 4298lbs combined tire rating it is not your tires limiting your payload.

Could be the rims themselves limiting payload but I doubt it. Plus the larger rims weigh more and would take away a bit of payload.

Do you have a heavily loaded (with options) vehicle? If the base model Grand Cherokee has a payload around 1500lbs. Then a fully loaded one will be around 1000lbs. Your payload is governed by your GVWR. Take your Jeep to a scale somewhere and weigh it. Subtract that from your GVWR and you will have your actual payload. Changing tires won't affect that.

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A load rating of 107 is 2149lbs per tire. If you rear axle rating is less than the 4298lbs combined tire rating it is not your tires limiting your payload.

Could be the rims themselves limiting payload but I doubt it. Plus the larger rims weigh more and would take away a bit of payload.

Do you have a heavily loaded (with options) vehicle? If the base model Grand Cherokee has a payload around 1500lbs. Then a fully loaded one will be around 1000lbs. Your payload is governed by your GVWR. Take your Jeep to a scale somewhere and weigh it. Subtract that from your GVWR and you will have your actual payload. Changing tires won't affect that.

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Rear axle rating is 3700, front is 3200, GVWR is 6800, unloaded curb weight with Diesel engine is 5275. Tire placard states 1050, while GVWR - curb weight is 1525. I called the dealer and they didn't know the reason for 1050 nor the GCWR. I called Chrysler and they didn't know the reason for 1050 nor the GCWR.

Could the larger rims weigh a total of 220 lbs more?
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Could the larger rims weigh a total of 220 lbs more?
Probably not. What trim level do you have? The diesel engine will definitely lower your payload a bit because they are much heavier than the gas engine.

Also where are you getting the unloaded curb weight from? If that is from online somewhere then it does not take into account any options you have on your Jeep. That would be the weight of a bare bones model with no options.

Sorry I can't help more. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to Jeeps.
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Probably not. What trim level do you have? The diesel engine will definitely lower your payload a bit because they are much heavier than the gas engine.

Also where are you getting the unloaded curb weight from? If that is from online somewhere then it does not take into account any options you have on your Jeep. That would be the weight of a bare bones model with no options.

Sorry I can't help more. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to Jeeps.
I called the Jeep dealer and spoke to the service department - they were not very knowledgeable either and directed my to call FCA's customer care. They didn't know either. In fact, neither could tell me the GCWR which is a bit ridiculous.

The cur weight is from the FCA, it is the quoted cur weight, not an actual scaled measurement.

I am less sure of the tire theory at this point. My dad has a 2013 and the stated payload for his Laredo is 1377, however his tire information and loading placard says the same thing: 1050 lbs. And, instead of the standard 17" wheels with tires rated 108, he has the upgraded 18" wheels with tires rated 109.

The explanation may be what I found in another forum (rvnet), which claimed that the put the same value on all Grand Cherokees regardless of the trim, wheels, and other options. The claim was that it is the payload that would be allowed if every single option on the heaviest all of trims were added.

I also discovered that from 2012 to 2013 the payload specs dropped about 400-500 lbs, perhaps as a result of this moose test:

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My payload sticker says 1100, where weighting the car results in 1350+ (after driver and with full tank). Weighting is the only way to confirm the payload. Sometimes they are using generic stickers.
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My payload sticker says 1100, where weighting the car results in 1350+ (after driver and with full tank). Weighting is the only way to confirm the payload. Sometimes they are using generic stickers.
I am surprised it doesn't say 1050! I weighed my Jeep and found out I have 1360 with some everyday junk in the back, a full tank of diesel and no driver.

Thanks for the sanity check!
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I weighed my 2015 JGC Ecodiesel. Full of fuel, no passengers, 5520 lbs. I have 4x4, off road package with skid plates and loaded with other options.


I tow a 23RLSW and I weighed it on my last trip at a truck scale with the trailer hooked up with the WDH, cargo, full fuel, and 2 passengers.


Front axle -- 2940 lbs.
Rear axle -- 3640 lbs.
Trailer axles -- 5520 lbs.


Close to the limit of 3700 lbs on the rear axle, but still 220 lbs under the GVWR.


Just some numbers for consumption.
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