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Old 04-08-2017, 10:14 AM   #11
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If you are maxed out on your washers than you will need to move your L brackets up on the trailer, not your shank head.


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Old 04-10-2017, 05:42 AM   #12
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snip....... The trouble is that Progress goes by wheel well measurement numbers and not actual weight distribution/scale numbers in their hitch setting determinations.......... snip .........but their approach to setting the distribution has always been about the tape measure's readings and not the scale's weights......snip
Yes, most WDH manufactures reference the front fender "measurement" process for WDH adjustment and this will get one in the ballpark....., but there are variables that can effect these results as it relates to the actual percentage of "weight returned" to the TV's front suspension.

Your owners manual (Towing Section) will identify whether to return a minimum of 50%, or 100% of the TV's front fender height when using a WDH. The thought is that 50% return @ the front fender was to represent 50% weight return...., and 100% return @ the front fender was to represent 100% weight return. The CAT scale is the only accurate way to confirm the percentage of actual weight returned.

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Old 04-10-2017, 07:35 PM   #13
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Thank you! How much weight do you think I need to distribute to the front?
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Old 04-10-2017, 11:16 PM   #14
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Thank you! How much weight do you think I need to distribute to the front?
Based on your TV's "unhitched" front axle weight of 3,360lbs, but your present WDH adjustment has you at 3,120lbs (WDH engaged)......., if it were my TV I would be targeting 3,300lbs, but don't exceed 3,360lbs. The WDH objective is to restore the TV's "unhitched" steering and braking characteristics when towing your particular TT.

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Old 04-11-2017, 07:06 AM   #15
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you may want to look at ebc brakes also. I have had the power stop brakes and yes they are good. I heard about the ebc brakes from a trailer life editor and he highly recommended them. I went with the drilled and slotted rotors and the orange brakes from ebc.
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Based on your TV's "unhitched" front axle weight of 3,360lbs, but your present WDH adjustment has you at 3,120lbs (WDH engaged)......., if it were my TV I would be targeting 3,300lbs, but don't exceed 3,360lbs. The WDH objective is to restore the TV's "unhitched" steering and braking characteristics when towing your particular TT.

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Agree 100% with Bob.

I think it is also correct as previously stated that this can be accomplished by adjusting the L-brackets on your TT. Raising the brackets will shift more weight to your TV.

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Old 06-19-2017, 07:08 AM   #17
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Round 2

We weighed the loaded TV yesterday. Our loaded TV gross weight dropped 80lbs: 5,980, down from 6,060. We are not exactly sure how we accomplished this; we can account for about 55lbs that we removed. For what it is worth, we used the same scale.

The front axle reduced from 3,360 to 3,200 (-160).

The rear axle increased from 2,700 to 2,780 (+80).

We will load the TT and hit the CAT on our way to camp Wednesday. Assuming I still need to distribute more weight to the front (as per our last round of CAT), I will raise the WDH L brackets on the a-frame a notch.

We have full propane tanks and 100lbs (+/-) of bikes and a rack on the a-frame this time. Last time our tanks were empty, and we did not have bikes on the a-frame/tongue. I will report the numbers Wednesday. Hopefully, we will be close enough to travel safely as I will not be able to change the brackets at the scale. My plan is to make adjustments (if needed) at the CG.
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We weighed the loaded TV yesterday. Our loaded TV gross weight dropped 80lbs: 5,980, down from 6,060. We are not exactly sure how we accomplished this; we can account for about 55lbs that we removed. For what it is worth, we used the same scale.

The front axle reduced from 3,360 to 3,200 (-160).

The rear axle increased from 2,700 to 2,780 (+80)........snip
I agree, interesting weight results compared to your original TV only CAT weights. The CAT scale has a certified tolerance of plus/minus 40lbs, so it may influence your results to some degree as well. Don't forget to be seated in the TV during the weigh-in.

Will be interesting to see how your Wednesday TV/TT CAT results compare to your "latest" TV only loaded weights.

If you get a chance, take a side view 'close-up' pic of your WDH with the TV/TT hitched/engaged reflecting the most recent "L" bracket adjustment prior to/or at the Wednesday weigh-in.

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Old 06-22-2017, 01:35 PM   #19
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Yesterday's CAT Results

CAT Scale for RAM and Jay Feather
June 21, 2017
*CAT Scale results after raising WDH L Brackets (on a-frame) one hole. Ball pitched with 6 washers.

TV Loaded w/o Trailer:
Steer Axle 3200
Drive Axle 2780
Gross 5980

TV+TT w/WDH:
Steer Axle 3120
Drive Axle 3520
Trailer Axle 4900
Gross 11540

TV+TT w/o WDH:
Steer Axle 2880
Drive Axle 3900
Trailer Axle 4760
Gross 11540

Loaded TT Weight:
2nd Weigh TV+TT Gross – 1st Weigh TV Gross

11540 – 5980 = 5560 (loaded TT)

Loaded Tongue Weight:
3rd TV Axle Weights – 1st TV Gross Weight = Loaded Tongue

6780 – 5980 = 800 (loaded tongue)
*Loaded tongue should be 10-15% of loaded TT

800 = 14.4% of 5560

TV GVWR = 6,600
2nd Steer Axle + 2nd Drive Axle =
3120 + 3520 = 6640 (+40 over GVWR)

If I am reading this correctly, I still need to distribute more weight to the front axle. I am maxed on pitch washers on the WDH. I raised the L Bracket one hole. I did not get a pic of the WDH set up, sorry. I am not sure how to get more weight to the front. Should I raise the L brackets another hole and remove pitch washers? I am also a little concerned about the heavy tongue. We added the Jack It bike rack and two bikes and had full propane tanks. Last time we weighed we did not have this added weight on the a-frame. We are in a CG; my wifi is sketchy. I will go into town to read your replies. Thank You!
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Old 06-22-2017, 01:56 PM   #20
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Check front and rear of TT to make sure you are level.

I would raise L-brackets one more hole and re-check.
Changed about 50-60lbs for my 6,000 TT when I did this.

Move anything you can in the TT to behind the axles will help as well with tongue weight.

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