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Old 03-10-2011, 02:48 PM   #11
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... If I ever replace the Jayco I will walk away if I even suspect a salesman is lying to me, but only after I report his unethical behavior to his boss.
Don't be surprised if his boss is just as (if not more) unethical than the salesman.
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Old 03-10-2011, 04:27 PM   #12
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Regrettably we see a lot of situations like yours on RV forums, where the buyer is told they can pull the trailer and their vehicle is not up to the task. It is unfortunate because many folks who buy a camper are brand new to towing and RV`s and are completely at the mercy of the salesman, and they naturally assume he will steer them straight on what they can pull. I have seen some strange combinations pull into campgrounds, some with large trailers and no WD system, with the hitch shank almost touching the ground from the weight. You took proactive measures to get a capable Tow vehicle and kudos to you for that. -Lee
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:23 PM   #13
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Well the bright side is that you now have an excellent combination for years of safe RVing.
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Old 03-12-2011, 12:20 PM   #14
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The bottom line?

There is no such thing as "too much power" but there certainly is "too little power".
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Old 04-20-2011, 01:51 AM   #15
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The dealers aren't always dishonest; sometimes they are misinformed. Apparently TV manufacturers put out "generic" figures for towing capacity. One RV dealer tried to tell me my '08 screw could pull only 8800 lb. I dug out the owner's manual and showed him that it was rated for 9500 (5.4L with 3.73 gears). He said that 8800 lb was what Ford told them (he wasn't lying; he showed me the list). The kicker was he didn't know what gears I had in the rear so there was no way to accurately tell.

Of course, I get a kick out of the oil and lube places trying to tell me Ford requires an oil change every 3000 miles/3 months even though I run full synthetic.
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My tv and yours probably have similar specs hp and torque wise. See my sig. My 19 bh probably weighs in at around 52 to 5400 loaded. My tv tows it great. I could go up to 7060lbs, but I really like subscribing to the 80% rule. I always have plenty of pedal left if I need it and my truck doesnt struggle. I would either go smaller or look into a light weight if you need the length.
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The dealers aren't always dishonest; sometimes they are misinformed. ...
Bad information is bad iformation; and whether it be from someone misinformed, dishonest, or having a "senior moment" can cause inconvenience, injury or even death to yourself, loved ones and innocent bystanders when bad information is taken at its "face value".

Back in the old days (1970's) of business, jokes, stories, thoughts of the day, and other iintersting tidbits of information floated around offices on regular sheets of typing paper that were often a copy ...made from a copy ...made from a copy ...etc. Some had been copied so many times that they would be difficult to read. I saved many of them in a file. One that I kept was entitled "The Torrington Company Ten Commandments". (and, no, I never worked for them) One of the commandments was:

"Thou shall not take anything fore granted. Thou shall look it up, and make d-a-m-n sure"

In the never ending question found on RV forums of "Can I tow this?", obeying the above commandment will save you from disaster every time.

And concerning that salesman telling you that Ford said you were only good for 8,800 pounds. I have to think Ford was providing their answer based on the standard equipment axle ratio. They have to use standard tables as there are so many options available and they err on the low side to avoid any liability issues. How would you have felt had it been the other way around- the salesman telling you 9,500 and it turned out you were only 8,800?
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I made a REAL rookie mistake when I went shopping for my first TT. I told the salesman that I wanted a trailer that I could pull with my Ford Explorer Limited and he told me that I could safely pull a Jayco 29" BHS that he had a great deal on. I had been pricing Jaycos and knew it was a great deal so I bought it. When I got home I found out (with a bit of research) that the rig was WAY to heavy and we would most likey die (and possibley kill others) if we tried to pull it with the Explorer. (I didn't take the trailer home the day I bought it thankfully.) I wound up finding a great used 2004 Silverado 2500HD long bed which I bought to pull the trailer with. Though it cost me more I am very pleased with what I wound up with. The Chevy pulls the Jayco very well and the trailer is big enough that we get to have our kids and grand children camp with us. Even though the salesman was dishonest, in the end it all worked out for the best. You are very smart to question what a salesman tells you BEFORE you buy. If I ever replace the Jayco I will walk away if I even suspect a salesman is lying to me, but only after I report his unethical behavior to his boss.
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Bad information is bad iformation; and whether it be from someone misinformed, dishonest, or having a "senior moment" can cause inconvenience, injury or even death to yourself, loved ones and innocent bystanders when bad information is taken at its "face value".

Back in the old days (1970's) of business, jokes, stories, thoughts of the day, and other iintersting tidbits of information floated around offices on regular sheets of typing paper that were often a copy ...made from a copy ...made from a copy ...etc. Some had been copied so many times that they would be difficult to read. I saved many of them in a file. One that I kept was entitled "The Torrington Company Ten Commandments". (and, no, I never worked for them) One of the commandments was:

"Thou shall not take anything fore granted. Thou shall look it up, and make d-a-m-n sure"

In the never ending question found on RV forums of "Can I tow this?", obeying the above commandment will save you from disaster every time.

And concerning that salesman telling you that Ford said you were only good for 8,800 pounds. I have to think Ford was providing their answer based on the standard equipment axle ratio. They have to use standard tables as there are so many options available and they err on the low side to avoid any liability issues. How would you have felt had it been the other way around- the salesman telling you 9,500 and it turned out you were only 8,800?
You are correct. I was merely pointing out that inaccuracies are not always due to dishonesty.

Btw, I had a Ford dealer tell me a truck was rated for 8800 lb (if in the Mesa, AZ area, stay far, far away from Berge Ford; those yahoos can't even do a good job of washing a truck). Fortunately, I found out from the owner's manual (yes, I actually read those) that it was actually 5000 lb because it didn't have the tow package, even though it had a receiver. Even with the tow package, it would have been only 6000 lb because of the engine and rear gears.
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Hello,

I just recently purchased the same TT. We have not done alot of towing but when we have it's been very windy and in the lower Texas hill country. The truck does well and i try to stay around 60. IMO I would not tow it with anything less that what i have. Can it tow it... Sure. Will you be dissapointed with your towing experience... IMO Yes. I have the Reese WDH with 10k bars and a Reese friction sway control. We had some good side winds (about 20 mph) the sway was not any problem but with a shorter wheel base it would have been a pain. Good luck. IMO it's better to have and not need then need and not have.
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