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Old 07-24-2016, 05:36 PM   #11
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I just got a JayFlight 23mb, 6250GVWR. I am unsure if I should go with a 2500 series pu or if a 1500 series will do it. The grand cherokee pulls it fine, but I want the bed space of a pickup. With 4 adults, tongue weight, gear, etc, I'm probably pushing the max GVWR on my jeep. I would like to hear what others think on this. Thanks.
There are great responses to your thread here. I was stuck in the decision tree on this issue a year ago when after 17 years our F250 decided by itself to retire. Couldn't wait for a new 2015 ... bought a F150 from dealer stock..... It's a 5.0 with tow/haul trans and backup camera (which is worth it's weight in gold). No max anything. It can tow 8k and our Jayco is 6k. So what could be the problem? Payload...... No, I have 1638 lbs.... Buttttt, I over pack the pickup on trips. Why, I have no earthly idea, but I do. Today, it would be a 3/4 ton...
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:25 AM   #12
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A 2014 F-150 with the 5.0 that can only tow 8K? That can't be right. What axle ratio do you have? I'm pretty sure even the 3.31 rear end can handle 9300lbs.
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A 2014 F-150 with the 5.0 that can only tow 8K? That can't be right. What axle ratio do you have? I'm pretty sure even the 3.31 rear end can handle 9300lbs.

Yes the rear is 3.31 and it's a crew cab, short bed. 8k is the tow number. Our TT's wet and loaded max is 6,000 so we're hardly stressed on that issue. However, I have to learn not to fill up the truck's bed with "like to have" items.
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My advice is free and you get what you pay for, but I just went through this with my TT. I have a 24FBS which tips the scales at about 5700 empty. I tried pulling with a 98 Tahoe it had 350 and a low axle ratio. It wasn't fun. I am not a mechanic but I would lean towards a 3/4 ton so you don't have the tail (your TT) wagging the dog (your tow vehicle) while towing. And I also agree with the gear ratio comment. As I read somewhere, the more gear you have towing the better. I've heard the 3:73, for Ford, is a pretty good ratio. Not sure what the equivalent is for other brands.
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Bob, you illustrate a very good point with your post. Many people are all about engine power when it comes to towing, but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Your 350 no doubt made some good power, but it just couldn't put it down efficiently. This was common in vehicles of that era due mainly to transmission inefficiencies. The modern 6 or 8 speed automatic transmissions are FAR better able to put the power to the axle efficiently. THEN rear axle ratio is the next factor, as a final torque distributor. You can have all the power you could ever want in an engine, but if gearing is poor it's not going to be pleasant.

That being said, the new half tons have mostly addressed this and are far more capable than 10 years ago.
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Yeah, the 3.31's are about 7900-8100 lbs. towing cap. The 3.73's will give you a bit more. The "grannier" the gear, the higher the GCWR, the more torque.
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Thanks Skybound. I realized your point when I bought my new tow vehicle. It is a 2008 Ford Expedition. The 5.4 puts out a lot of torque and horsepower. All that is run through a six speed transmission and it tows my TT very well. I still would have liked the 3.73's but I'm happy!
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My wife and I had a 2015 23MB and it was extremely easy to tow with our RAM 1500. No need for the 2500 if you plan to stick with this trailer for a while. At times, I forgot it was back there! This is the perfect weight trailer for a 1/2 ton.
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No need for the 2500 if you plan to stick with this trailer for a while. This is the perfect weight trailer for a 1/2 ton.
The hard part about posting this is PA has not returned and posted what the 4 adults weigh, or what the aproximate weight of the "gear" is which sounded like it is carried in the tv also. Rams have more than enough POWER to tow up to their "rated tow rating" (when properly equipped), but the issue still comes down to the available payload of the truck. Som Rams barely have 12-1300lbs of payload per the yellow sticker in the drivers door jamb from what owners have posted. So if PA has a passenger weight of 800lbs, gear weight of 300lbs, wdh at 100lbs, he probably doesn't have enough tv payload left for the tw (all weights just an estimate!!!).

This is the reason some of us have suggested he weigh the current rig, ready for a trip with all passengers, to see where he stands.... This will tell him if a 1500/150 tv is plenty, or if a 2500/250+ is needed. For all we know he would like to take a 1/4 bed full of firewood also.

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Glad to hear that the Ram worked very well for you. I just know that the way we all pack varies greatly, it is hard to say for certain that one will be under the gvwr of their tv. Heck, our 32 that has a dry tw of 920lbs was 1400lbs the one time I weighed the rig, without any water in the fresh tanks!!! I would rather see someone spend ~$15 at the CAT Scale before spending a ton more on a new tv to only find it they should have stepped up a a heavier duty tv.
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If you are in the buying process on your Tow Vehicle, I would STRONGLY recommend a 3/4 ton truck. I bought a 28bhbe (which is a bit heavier than yours) but I have been pulling it with an F150. I had the truck beforehand, but because of the towing experience I am moving to a 3/4 or 1 ton in the coming months. You won't be sorry you went for the higher payload and towing capacity. Unless you go with a diesel, you can often buy the HD gassers for about the same price as half tons. So, if you are in the market, just get the bigger truck. It will also give you some future proofing if you ultimately decide to get a bigger trailer or even a fifth wheel down the road.
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