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Old 09-06-2014, 06:02 PM   #11
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Seems to me that a much smaller diesel would provide adequate power and better fuel economy. I am hopeful that the introduction of the Cummins 5.0 in the Titan and Tundra coincide with a heavy half or legitimate 3/4 ton truck from them.
X2 Love my Tundra but would be thrilled with at least an HD. Toyota makes them for the international market...
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Old 09-06-2014, 07:19 PM   #12
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They probably would choose the Cummins but it might not be the right choice. Diesels are everywhere in Europe and VM has a huge amount of experience in making light duty diesels. The 3.0 V6 is smaller, lighter and likely much quieter and more efficient in the real world.


I suspect the actual mpg difference will be more like 5 mpg then 2.

I agree Dodge needs to address the payload issue it has had since it switched to rear coils. Perhaps they could offer a 1500HD package to raise the GVWR by 600-800 lbs.
It will be interesting to follow. I think I read somewhere that in the first half of 2012 nissan sold 10K titans. In the same time dodge sold 300K rams. That being said, I don't think dodge is worried about direct competition. The cummins name has value. If nissan introduced a new diesel Titan to North America with a VM Motori engine, it wouldn't even get looked at.
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Old 09-06-2014, 07:56 PM   #13
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If nissan introduced a new diesel Titan to North America with a VM Motori engine, it wouldn't even get looked at.
nothing against Nissan (owned a Maxima back in my youth,it was a rocket) but I don't think people will be running to buy Titans with or without diesels.
They are on the bottom for truck sales,even behind Honda, and a Cummins is not going to change that
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Old 09-06-2014, 08:18 PM   #14
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nothing against Nissan (owned a Maxima back in my youth,it was a rocket) but I don't think people will be running to buy Titans with or without diesels.
They are on the bottom for truck sales,even behind Honda, and a Cummins is not going to change that
You may be right. I think it's an interesting experiment. Americans, at large, don't buy diesels. The ones that do buy HD trucks. If I was trying to "test the waters" as a manufacturer, I think think the 1/2 ton market is a good place to start. Especially if that is a place where you could potentially gain market share.

I don't think this move will make nissan the king of the half tons, but I wouldn't be surprised if they increased their sales. At the very least it adds a new demographic to the potential Titan buyers, which is all any manufacturers can hope to do.

Who knows, maybe in 5 years we'll all be driving diesels, or maybe it will just be a fad we all forget.
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Old 09-06-2014, 08:33 PM   #15
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I bought my Titan the first year it was made. Damn solid truck I might say and has never let me down. It will pass everything on the road...except a gas station! That thing is thirsty for sure. Would love to see it in a diesel myself. The Titan was very innovative in 2004 and many of the trucks have tried to duplicate some of the features. I would love an HD model as well.
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You may be right. I think it's an interesting experiment. Americans, at large, don't buy diesels. The ones that do buy HD trucks. If I was trying to "test the waters" as a manufacturer, I think think the 1/2 ton market is a good place to start. Especially if that is a place where you could potentially gain market share.

I don't think this move will make nissan the king of the half tons, but I wouldn't be surprised if they increased their sales. At the very least it adds a new demographic to the potential Titan buyers, which is all any manufacturers can hope to do.

Who knows, maybe in 5 years we'll all be driving diesels, or maybe it will just be a fad we all forget.

Canadians do buy diesels. The TDI has been the top selling VW engine in most of the years since it hit the market. Most of the German SUV's sell more diesels then any other engine and I can't remember the last time I saw a 3/4 or one ton pick up with a gas engine.

I hope offering the Cummins in the Titan will save it but I doubt it. Cummins fans will buy the Dodge 2500 diesel, people looking for the best mileage in a full size will buy the Dodge 1500 diesel and judging by how rarely I see a Titan Nissan fans don't buy pick ups.


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Old 09-06-2014, 09:33 PM   #17
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I thought that was all because of a change in the formula to make the calculations when in fact the suspension itself hasn't.

Nah, the Ram 1/2 tons have always been at the bottom on payload. As was mentioned before, it's likely because of the coil springs. But I don't like that reasoning either because the new Ram 2500 with Hemi 6.4 has coils and it's payload is over 3 grand in the base models, almost 3 grand in the equipped models.

It seems to me that if Nissan can build a full size 1/2 ton class truck with around 2K payload (above passengers and fuel) with a fuel efficient diesel power plant, that would be a real winner.
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I had a chat with a guy who works for cummins and told me to stay away from them as they are designed to fail.... Not sure how creditable he is but I'll be staying away from Toyota and Nissan as I find them the trucks to be over priced and far worse on fuel.... My 2 cents of course as everyone is entitled to their opinions and preferences
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I had a chat with a guy who works for cummins and told me to stay away from them as they are designed to fail....
unlikely to be true..

Don't think Nissan is wanting to be involved in millions of dollars in warranty claims
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I had a chat with a guy who works for cummins and told me to stay away from them as they are designed to fail.... Not sure how creditable he is but I'll be staying away from Toyota and Nissan as I find them the trucks to be over priced and far worse on fuel.... My 2 cents of course as everyone is entitled to their opinions and preferences
Disgruntled employee? Even the crappiest company would not design something to fail and certainly not Cummins, Toyota or Nissan.
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