Nissian and a 5er ?

[wags999]

As I was leaving a campground I saw a Nissan pulling a 32 +- 5er pulling in... truck was really riding low in the back. Didn't have an opportunity to speak with the driver but does Nissan make a pick up that can handle a fairly large 5er and not be over cargo carrying capacity? I haul a TT with a Tundra and while I love my Tundra and have zero issues pulling anywhere I would never even consider any 5er with it.

Just curious...it was a nice looking truck...but I thought they only made 1/2 ton models...

[Demiles]

The gas powered Titan XD has enough payload to stay within GVWR with 1,700-1,900 lb pin weight.

[Scott91370]

They claim the Titan is a heavy-half so it shouldn't have an issue. Bu there is no way I'd tow any 5er with a half ton.

[TxLoser]

I was at Oasis Rv park in Amarillo. Saw a guy with an Eagle HT fiver. Can’t recall the model name, but the one with mid bunks. Maybe 32 or 33’. He was towing with a Chevy 1/2 ton. He obviously made it there. I didn’t get to talk to him so no idea what mods he may have done to his truck or for that matter which version of the 1500 it was. Guess it worked for his family.

I had a Tundra as well. Just like the Nissan, I was told it was a heavy half ton. I think the engine and drive train in both trucks are pretty stout, but the suspension is where they start showing themselves as a 1/2 ton.

[Demiles]

All the half ton class have a maximum pin weight in the 1500-1700 lb range. Some of the newer 1/2 ton towable fifth wheel trailers have a very light pin weight % and will still tow better than most conventional travel trailers. The XD does carry weight much better then its GVWR indicates. Here’s a link to a comparison
https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2016/0...ing-tests.html

[Half Ton Heavy]

Originally Posted by Demiles

All the half ton class have a maximum pin weight in the 1500-1700 lb range. Some of the newer 1/2 ton towable fifth wheel trailers have a very light pin weight % and will still tow better than most conventional travel trailers. The XD does carry weight much better then its GVWR indicates. Here’s a link to a comparison
https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2016/0...ing-tests.html

I wonder why Ford did not cough up a HDPP 150 for these sort of comparisons. It would have kicked Nissan’s butt. My crew cab 4X4 has a 2500 lb payload, if they had 4X2 like the Nissan, it would have been about 2700lbs. That is significantly greater.

[TxLoser]

That would surpass my 3/4 ton by a few hundred lbs.

[Demiles]

Originally Posted by Half Ton Heavy

I wonder why Ford did not cough up a HDPP 150 for these sort of comparisons. It would have kicked Nissan’s butt. My crew cab 4X4 has a 2500 lb payload, if they had 4X2 like the Nissan, it would have been about 2700lbs. That is significantly greater.

Regardless of payload a TV of substantial unloaded GVW increases towing stability so I’ll stick with the class 2b trucks and higher. Nothing personal against the HDPP Ford but it’s unloaded GVW is only 5200-5400lbs. My XD is 7,000 empty.

[Shokyle1]

I hear this all the time about tow vehicle weight. But what I don't under stand is if one truck weight 6000 lbs and another 5000 lbs if brakes frame axles are all comparable why would the heavier truck be more stable if 1000 lbs were added to it and 2000 to the lighter truck? Wouldn't both truck scale the same?

[Demiles]

I look at it from a unloaded weight point of view. Since nearly all pickups have a weight distribution of 60/40 or about, the truck that weighs a 1000 lbs more is going to carry more weight on the front axle. This means it’s longitudinal center of gravity will stay further forward than the lighter one with the same amount of weight added to each. The further the TV longitudinal CG is away from the rear axle the better the stability will be. Also higher TV weight will increase front and rear tire grip.

[Shokyle1]

I thought ideal weight distribution for stability was 50/50

[Half Ton Heavy]

Originally Posted by Demiles

Regardless of payload a TV of substantial unloaded GVW increases towing stability so I’ll stick with the class 2b trucks and higher. Nothing personal against the HDPP Ford but it’s unloaded GVW is only 5200-5400lbs. My XD is 7,000 empty.

With that logic, I’ll bet the semi drivers with 80k strapped to a trailer out back must be pooing their pants.

[Demiles]

No, the ideal weight distribution of the TV for conventional towing is more on the rear axle then on the front say 45/55. There is a practical limit of course and you can’t take too much off the front, that creates other issues.

[Demiles]

Originally Posted by Half Ton Heavy

With that logic, I’ll bet the semi drivers with 80k strapped to a trailer out back must be pooing their pants.

A articulating fifth wheel with the connection point at or in front of the rear axle centerline behaves quite differently then having the connection point 4 feet behind the rear axle. Move the connection point and yes they’d be wearing diapers.

[Half Ton Heavy]

Originally Posted by Demiles

A articulating fifth wheel with the connection point at or in front of the rear axle centerline behaves quite differently then having the connection point 4 feet behind the rear axle. Move the connection point and yes they’d be wearing diapers.

I thought we were talking fivers. A tractor trailer setup has a markedly skewed ratio of tractor to trailer vs. an F-150/ 10k trailer.

[Demiles]

Originally Posted by Half Ton Heavy

I wonder why Ford did not cough up a HDPP 150 for these sort of comparisons. It would have kicked Nissan’s butt. My crew cab 4X4 has a 2500 lb payload, if they had 4X2 like the Nissan, it would have been about 2700lbs. That is significantly greater.

The link doesn’t include fifth wheel towing and you commented on how the HDPP truck would perform. I was responding to someone else about TV weight and how it effects stability. For a fifth wheel the HDPP and the XD are rated about the same for pin weight. Since the Ford would be available in a 8ft bed configuration and the pin could be placed ahead of the rear axle I might prefer it over the XD for fifth wheel towing. 1700 lbs is still the maximum pin weight that’s reasonable regardless of payload rating.

[Half Ton Heavy]

Originally Posted by Demiles

The link doesn’t include fifth wheel towing and you commented on how the HDPP truck would perform. I was responding to someone else about TV weight and how it effects stability. For a fifth wheel the HDPP and the XD are rated about the same for pin weight. Since the Ford would be available in a 8ft bed configuration and the pin could be placed ahead of the rear axle I might prefer it over the XD for fifth wheel towing. 1700 lbs is still the maximum pin weight that’s reasonable regardless of payload rating.

A) The hitch is always over the rear axle no matter the bed length The measure back from the tailgate no matter the truck, the same distance.

B) Payload, particularly with fivers, is everything. Why is 1700 the max reasonable? What is the typical payload of a gas XD crew 4X4? At least in the case of 150, payload is the first number to get busted.

[Shokyle1]

The max payload on a single cab 4wd gas xd is 2890. The f150 single cab 4wd is 3150. Interesting enough the f150 with the 5 liter has higher payload than the eco boost. Wonder if this has to do with weight distribution.

[Half Ton Heavy]

The eco is about 50 lbs heavier than the 5.0.

[Shokyle1]

Wow would have never guessed that.