Over on Trailer GVWR ?

[JohnWedell]

Below is the spreadsheet of the weights of my unit just getting back from Florida. The trailer gross vehicle weight is over by 730 pounds but everything else is well within limits. Wondering what everyone’s thoughts are.

[Grumpy]

What am I missing? You're under on axles and under on pin so how can you be over on gross?

[Midnightmoon]

John, I'm not familiar with the spreadsheet calculator that you are using. However, it appears that it is simply adding pin weight and scaled axle weight to calculate your trailer GVW. Am I reading that correctly?

[craigav]

Just curious, were your holding tanks empty or full, or only fresh water? I suspect your holding tanks are large which could make a huge difference in the gvw full vs empty. ~CA

[Midnightmoon]

Double check what I am seeing. But, is the calculator that he is using adding the pin weight twice? It is shown as the payload in the truck category and also as pin weight in the trailer category. It has the correct combination weight at the bottom. But why is the pin shown in both the truck and trailer calculations on the top of the form?

[Old and soft]

If its on the inter web, it must be right.

[JohnWedell]

1 the gross vehicle weight of the trailer is the pin weight plus the axel weight according to Jayco.The Maximum is 15,250 pounds.
2 cargo Weight for the truck was just to show I didn’t go over the Cargo Carrying Capacity. I wasn’t able to empty the truck out to get the complete unloaded weight so I just figured it as it was.
3 I took the front and rear axle weights with the trailer and subtracted the front and rear axle weight without the trailer. That gave me the pin weight.
4 all tanks are empty

[craigav]

Originally Posted by Midnightmoon

Double check what I am seeing. But, is the calculator that he is using adding the pin weight twice? It is shown as the payload in the truck category and also as pin weight in the trailer category. It has the correct combination weight at the bottom. But why is the pin shown in both the truck and trailer calculations on the top of the form?

The gvw of the trailer should include the pin weight. The gvw of the truck also includes the pin weight (so it that aspect it is counted twice). However, the gcvwr is the combined weight of all axles and would not count the pin weight twice. ~CA

[Midnightmoon]

Originally Posted by craigav

The gvw of the trailer should include the pin weight. The gvw weight of the truck also includes the pin weight (so it that aspect it is counted twice). However, the gcvwr is the combined weight of all axles and would not count the pin weight twice. ~CA

I understand now what you are saying. Thanks for the clarification.

[ependydad]

I double checked the numbers against the calculator on TowingPlanner.com and it agrees with the spreadsheet:
Actual Weights - Fifth Wheel Weights from CAT Scales - TowingPlanner

Camper Weight
15,980

Pin Weight
3,520

Pin Weight Percentage
22 %

You need to rectify this. I have personally dealt with a frame failure and I've spoken personally with over a dozen other families who have had frame failures. In only 1 case, every rig was running overloaded. That last case, they were with 150 pounds of being at the trailer's GVWR.

Failures can and do happen.

Put the rig on a diet.

[CAG]

I have personally dealt with a frame failure and I've spoken personally with over a dozen other families who have had frame failures. In only 1 case, every rig was running overloaded. That last case, they were with 150 pounds of being at the trailer's GVWR.

And your documentation for this is published where?


See post 6 on this thread.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by CAG

And your documentation for this is published where?


See post 6 on this thread.

Believe me if you want, don't if you don't want to. I had my personal experience and documented it on the ForestRiverForums.com site when it occurred. In my case, I was under on the gross axle weight rating (GAWR) but over on the trailer's gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR); just like the OP in this post.

Since then, I have helped countless people with the weighing process of their rigs, published articles, and have spoken at various rallies and summits on the importance of weights because a frame failure isn't something I wish on my worst enemy (ok, maybe some but very few).

In my time speaking to groups and interacting on web forums, Reddit, and Facebook groups as well as in-person at various rallies that I've attended for my family's own fun- I've talked to over a dozen other families who have experienced frame failures.

[CAG]

Originally Posted by ependydad

Believe me if you want, don't if you don't want to. I had my personal experience and documented it on the ForestRiverForums.com site when it occurred. In my case, I was under on the gross axle weight rating (GAWR) but over on the trailer's gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR); just like the OP in this post.

Since then, I have helped countless people with the weighing process of their rigs, published articles, and have spoken at various rallies and summits on the importance of weights because a frame failure isn't something I wish on my worst enemy (ok, maybe some but very few).

In my time speaking to groups and interacting on web forums, Reddit, and Facebook groups as well as in-person at various rallies that I've attended for my family's own fun- I've talked to over a dozen other families who have experienced frame failures.

Please direct us to your publications. They may be helpful to others here.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by CAG

Please direct us to your publications. They may be helpful to others here.

My RVing sites are:

https://learntorv.com/
http://towingplanner.com/

I don't have any articles specifically about the frame failure. I have quite a few articles regarding weighing your RV.

[CAG]

Originally Posted by ependydad

My RVing sites are:

https://learntorv.com/
https://towingplanner.com/

I don't have any articles specifically about the frame failure. I have quite a few articles regarding weighing your RV.

OK, the way you wrote your response it appeared YOU published articles.
I can't seem to find frame failure or weighing your rig issues on the first URL and that second URL does not come up.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by CAG

OK, the way you wrote your response it appeared YOU published articles.
I can't seem to find frame failure or weighing your rig issues on the first URL and that second URL does not come up.

I fixed the 2nd link. Got the "https" vs. "http" part wrong.

As for weighing on the first link, here are 3 articles that are on-topic (or close):

• https://learntorv.com/weigh-rv/
• https://learntorv.com/escapees-smart...wheel-weights/
• https://learntorv.com/can-i-tow-this/ (related, but not entire- this is more of a pre-purchase check for tow vehicle suitability)

[cekkk]

I joined a group yesterday that warned me not to post "prove its." Nothing needs to be read into that.