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Old 11-23-2015, 10:02 AM   #21
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This is from a 2015 gmc 3500 SLE SRW diesel crew cab 4x4.
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This is from my 2013 2013 GMC 2500 SLE SRW diesel crew cab 4x4.

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It's all to keep some idiot in WASHINGTON happy IMHO.

They are using some new formula even though nothing has really changed mechanically. In fact the 2015 has more horsepower IIRC.
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:10 AM   #22
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So, can anyone put up a pic or list what the GAWRs are on a 3500? That should be the telltale giveaway, don't you think?

My truck (2015 RAM 2500 Crew, 6.4L HEMI, 4x4) lists the front axle GAWR at 5500 and rear axle GAWR at 6500 (that's 12K for those numerically challenged ). And lists the vehicle GVWR at 10K. That's per the VIN plate on the vehicle.

Anyone know what the sticker says on a 3500?

It's not uncommon for the axles to add up to more than the GVWR, but I'm just curious what those are in the 1-Tons.
Attatched is the towing chart for a 3500 Megacab 4x4. It shows 6000# and 7000#. The 2500 Megacab is 6000# and 6500# respectively.
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:43 AM   #23
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Attatched is the towing chart for a 3500 Megacab 4x4. It shows 6000# and 7000#. The 2500 Megacab is 6000# and 6500# respectively.
I had seen that chart and similar before. I didn't know it had GAWRs on it.

Anyway, interesting that there's only 500 lbs difference on the rear axle between the 4x4 2500 and 3500 in SRW Mega Cab version.
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I had seen that chart and similar before. I didn't know it had GAWRs on it.

Anyway, interesting that there's only 500 lbs difference on the rear axle between the 4x4 2500 and 3500 in SRW Mega Cab version.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Makes it sound like the GVWR is an arbitrary number for regulation purposes. Looks like i'll end up with the 2500 and if anything throw some Timbrens or Sumosprings on it. Alternatively Superspring also makes a heavy duty replacement coil for the 16' 2500. It's supposed to give an extra 975#'s of payload.
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Are all 2500/3500 SRW's equipped with coil springs and air ride now? Just curious how that plays into the equation? I did not study the sheet and if this covered I apologize for missing.

What I don't like is that you cannot change your rear ratios with SRW's. That is a big miss IMHO.
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Are all 2500/3500 SRW's equipped with coil springs and air ride now? Just curious how that plays into the equation? I did not study the sheet and if this covered I apologize for missing.

What I don't like is that you cannot change your rear ratios with SRW's. That is a big miss IMHO.
2500 comes standard with coils, or as an option you can get airbag suspension in lieu of the coils. The 3500 comes standard with leaves and as an option you can order supplemental air bags.

The spec sheets are based only on standard suspension parts i.e. Coils on the 2500 and leaves on the 3500.
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Something is off here. When you search inventory on the Ram web site none of the 2500 Mega Cabs are north of 2300# payload and all the 3500 show 3900# for SRW .

This would make more sense to me with the coils vs leafs. Might want to confirm the specs with Ram.

The 3500 spring pac is stiff. My unit only makes my bed sink an inch.
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Something is off here. When you search inventory on the Ram web site none of the 2500 Mega Cabs are north of 2300# payload and all the 3500 show 3900# for SRW .

This would make more sense to me with the coils vs leafs. Might want to confirm the specs with Ram.

The 3500 spring pac is stiff. My unit only makes my bed sink an inch.
I'm pretty sure you're right. None of the 2500's are above a 2300# payload. Don't think there is anything to confirm unless I'm missing something.
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I'm pretty sure you're right. None of the 2500's are above a 2300# payload. Don't think there is anything to confirm unless I'm missing something.
Some of the 2500's definitely are higher, if this is true it must be due to the megacab. My 2015 2500 (Crew cab, not mega) I just bought has a payload of 3042lbs remaining, this is from the tire and loading info sticker on the door. This is a Laramie so has quite a few of the creature comforts, I will add running boards which will take this down marginally. The GVWR is at 10k lbs.

This has the HEMI 6.4 engine, the Cummins steals a LOT of payload capacity, I ruled out diesels in a 3/4 ton cause I wouldn't gain much (if anything) over my old 2013 F150 Maxtow.
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Some of the 2500's definitely are higher, if this is true it must be due to the megacab. My 2015 2500 (Crew cab, not mega) I just bought has a payload of 3042lbs remaining, this is from the tire and loading info sticker on the door. This is a Laramie so has quite a few of the creature comforts, I will add running boards which will take this down marginally. The GVWR is at 10k lbs.

This has the HEMI 6.4 engine, the Cummins steals a LOT of payload capacity, I ruled out diesels in a 3/4 ton cause I wouldn't gain much (if anything) over my old 2013 F150 Maxtow.

comparing an F150 gasser to a 3/4 ton diesel equipped truck, and saying you wouldn't come out ahead, even with more GCWR, GVWR AND RAWR, and much more grunt??

That's a stretch, more grunt with the diesel, better mpg , even over the 3/4 ton 6.4. If you don't believe it, go to the Cummins forum and get real life experiences from those who had a diesel, went to the 6.4 hemi, then went back to the Cummins. Diesels will normally have higher GCWR than the gas equipped trucks, comparing apples to apples...Also, GVWR on most Ram 3500 SRW trucks is 12,300#.... 2300# higher than a 2500 trucks 10000#, and RAWR is, as stated, also higher on the 3500SRW
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