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05-17-2016, 08:50 PM
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PU truck to tow a 10,000 lb GVWR RV!
I notice GM & Ford will only put a 3.73 rear axle in their ½T PUs(pickups). A 4.10 rear axle would better for towing. Chevy does have two V8s, that have good power & torque, yet get pretty good MPG. The 5.3L (355 hp & 383 ft-lb) & the 6.2L (420 hp & 460 ft-lb torque) The 6.2L gets EPA MPG of 15 City & 21 hwy. Torque of 460 ft-lb & a 4.10 rear end should be able to tow way more than 10K. Giving me a safety margin.
I have researched the Toyota Tundra, w/5.7L V8 (381 hp & 401 ft-lb), using a 4.30 rear end. It's rated to tow 10,200 lb. When a 2500 Chevy Silverado w/6.0L V8 (360 hp & 380 ft-lb), using a 4.10 rear end, is rated to tow 14,500 lbs. The Chevy also has a curb weight of almost 1K lb more. Another difference is the Chevy has a bigger payload.
Ratings below are from GM's & Toyota's web sites (I have also doubled checked w/other sources):
2016 Chevy ¾T Reg Cab, Long Box RWD, 6L V8 (360 hp & 380 ft-lb torque)
Curb Weight 5817 lbs, Max Payload 3534 lbs, Max GVWR 9300 lbs
Max Conventional Trailering, w/4.10 Rear Axle 14,500 lb & max 5th Wheel Trailering, 14,800 lbs
2016 Tundra Reg Cab, Long Box 2WD, 5.7L V8 (381 hp & 401 ft-lb torque)
Curb Weight 4940 Max Payload 2060 Max tow cap, 10,500 lb (4.3 rear gears & towing package)
Nissan has a new Titan PU coming out soon. Tow cap is 12,300 lb. So, that would also do the job I would think. But, it will be a while until the price of the new Titan settles down and that start putting them on sale. One of the disadvantages of ¾T is that I would have to pay near MSRP. They are never run as loss leader specials, like ½T PUs. Rebates & other incentives are offered on ¾T PUs. But, not near as often & not as much as on ½T PUs. Anyone have any other suggestions?
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05-17-2016, 08:53 PM
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I may be missing a piece, but are you asking which of these trucks would be best to use for a 10k RV or just posting some findings?
You may not load to the full 10k. That GM 6.2 is a beast.
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05-17-2016, 08:55 PM
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No where near an expert on this but I was shopping the same way back in Mar. Went with the 2015 silvy 2500hd duramax. The 15's have higher rated tow weights.
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05-17-2016, 09:02 PM
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Your only looking at one part of the key to good towing. Tow capacity is one, but cargo capacity is another. A 10K TT will have a tongue weight of about 1200 - 1500 typically. I love my Tundra and it is equipped for 10,100 lb towing, but, the cargo capacity is about 1500 Lbs. You need to add, fuel, cargo, passengers and tongue weight of the trailer to see where your at. AT 10K I think your outside of any 1/2 capacity. I would NEVER want to tow anything much heavier then my 7,000 lb TT (loaded) with it.
Your not alone in looking at tow capacity and forgetting looking at cargo capacity and total gross weight your truck can handle.
Good luck and happy camping !
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05-17-2016, 09:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smurfs_of_war
I may be missing a piece, but are you asking which of these trucks would be best to use for a 10k RV or just posting some findings?
You may not load to the full 10k. That GM 6.2 is a beast.
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I was just wondering if anyone knew why, the Tundra w/401 ft-lb of torque
and a 4.30 rear axle, is rated below, a GM truck w/380 ft-lb of torque and a
4.10 rear axle. All other factors being the same more torque and a high axle
ratio, generally means a greater ability to tow an RV.
As far as the full 10K. It gets that heavy w/full tank of water & LP etc. I
want a 20% safety margin. Also, the GM 6.2L maybe a beast, but you can't
get it in a regular PU. You have to buy a more expensive crew cab, in order
to get one. That would cost as much as the ¾T (2500) Reg Cab.
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05-17-2016, 09:38 PM
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The Tundra is rated below the GM because none of the other factors are the same. You're comparing a 1/2 ton to a 3/4 ton. The frame, brakes, transmission, axles, etc are all heavier duty. It's not just engine and axle ratio that determine everything.
I would actually suggest looking at newer used 3/4 ton gas models if you're looking to stay gas. They are generally significantly cheaper than their diesel counterparts and will give you the added stability that moving from a 1/2 ton to a 3/4 ton provides. For that matter, check out the 1 ton gas models as well. The difference between the 3/4 and 1 ton is very negligible and you'll have more cargo capacity should you ever decide to go bigger in the future.
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05-17-2016, 10:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DogFather
I was just wondering if anyone knew why, the Tundra w/401 ft-lb of torque
and a 4.30 rear axle, is rated below, a GM truck w/380 ft-lb of torque and a
4.10 rear axle. All other factors being the same more torque and a high axle
ratio, generally means a greater ability to tow an RV.
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But all the other factors are not the same. You need to factor in the transmission gearing as well.
While this was for the GMT-900 1500 (GM '07-'13), which truck (both with the same 5.3) would you guess has the better towing combo, a 4spd/ 4.10 combo or a 6spd/3.42 combo? It may be hard to believe, but the 6spd/3.42 combo is actually better, and has a higher tow rating (still have 1500 payload issue though as mentioned!!!) due to the gearing in the transmission. I will try to find it, but I believe I have posted the GM gear ratio chart comparing the 4 sped vs 6 sped combos a member over on GM-Trucks.com made.
Hopefully this link works: GM 4spd vs 6spd chart. As I mentioned, this was made for the GMT 900 1500 trucks comparing the two transmissions.
That size trailer, myself, I would ot want to tow with a 1500. As mentioned, all the passengers, all cargo (coolers, firewood, bikes, etc), any accessories added to the truck (truck cap/topper, step bars, bed liner, etc, the wdh (weight distribution hitch), AND the tt tw (travel trailer tongue weight) ALL count toward the trucks payload. And for a safe, stable tow you generally need 12-15% tw of the loaded trailer. For a 10k lbs trailer, as mentioned, that is 1200-1500lbs. Most 1500 trucks today are lucky to have 1500-1700lbs of payload. May be a little more for a reg cab/long bed vs a crew cab/ short bed.
Good luck!!!
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05-17-2016, 11:07 PM
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Another reason tundra is lower cause toyota is using a new standard for towing numbers the other truck makers havent gone too yet,
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05-17-2016, 11:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DogFather
I was just wondering if anyone knew why, the Tundra w/401 ft-lb of torque
and a 4.30 rear axle, is rated below, a GM truck w/380 ft-lb of torque and a
4.10 rear axle. All other factors being the same more torque and a high axle
ratio, generally means a greater ability to tow an RV.
As far as the full 10K. It gets that heavy w/full tank of water & LP etc. I
want a 20% safety margin. Also, the GM 6.2L maybe a beast, but you can't
get it in a regular PU. You have to buy a more expensive crew cab, in order
to get one. That would cost as much as the ¾T (2500) Reg Cab.
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Ok, now I am following. I can't answer with any certainty, but I can speculate it is because of the overall performance. The cooling, transmission, everything. You're right- by the time you pay the premium to get anything with the 6.2, you can sit yourself into a 2500 series which is a step up the food chain.
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05-18-2016, 05:38 AM
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The truck in my signature would struggle greatly with a 10K trailer. I'd go diesel with a trailer of that weight. That's just me..
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05-18-2016, 08:20 AM
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I have a GM 3500HD gasser as noted in my sig. The 6.0 tows our 28BHBE without any issues. Picked it up for 34k Canadian in 08. Sure we slow down a bit on steeper grades but that is more due to my driving style than anything else. I can climb a 10% grade at 90kph if I want to push it. TT usually tips scales at 8800-9000 lbs. We have a 3752lb payload capacity so lots of room for toys etc.
Happy Camping
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05-18-2016, 09:32 AM
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Towing capacity depends on a lot of factors beyond the drivetrain. The chassis stiffness, braking capability, and the sheer weight of the TV are all important factors as well. You don't want your TT or 5er pushing your tow vehicle around, especially on downhills. For 10k lb trailer weight, I can highly recommend a diesel on a 3/4T or 1T chassis. I owned a Chevy crew cab 4X4 Silverado with Duramax and Allison for my trailer with GVWR of 10,400. I often towed that toy hauler in the range of 9000-9500 lbs, on a stock drivetrain. It was an early version LB7, with about 535 lb-ft of torque. Today's versions of that are well over 700 lb-ft. Even if you end up with a low mileage used one, I'd strongly urge you to consider a diesel rather than any 1/2 ton pickup.
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05-18-2016, 09:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by texanrebel
Another reason tundra is lower cause toyota is using a new standard for towing numbers the other truck makers havent gone too yet,
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Actually, per this GM Release they are now using the new standard for setting the tow rating for the '16 HD's. Nothing has changed drivetrain wise since '11 except the 3.73 gearing is no longer available, only the 4.10's. So a specific '11-'15 truck that is the exact same configuration as a '16 will have the same tow ratings.
But trying to compare. 1500/150 series truck vs a 2500/3500 is an apples vs oranges situation.
TWP,
What axle ratio do you have?
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05-18-2016, 09:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustdevil
Towing capacity depends on a lot of factors beyond the drivetrain. The chassis stiffness, braking capability, and the sheer weight of the TV are all important factors as well. You don't want your TT or 5er pushing your tow vehicle around, especially on downhills. For 10k lb trailer weight, I can highly recommend a diesel on a 3/4T or 1T chassis. I owned a Chevy crew cab 4X4 Silverado with Duramax and Allison for my trailer with GVWR of 10,400. I often towed that toy hauler in the range of 9000-9500 lbs, on a stock drivetrain. It was an early version LB7, with about 535 lb-ft of torque. Today's versions of that are well over 700 lb-ft. Even if you end up with a low mileage used one, I'd strongly urge you to consider a diesel rather than any 1/2 ton pickup.
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By the way, the diesels generally come with 3.73 axles, because those engines naturally run at slower speeds and develop their torque at lower speed ranges. 3.73 is also a slightly stronger gearset. Having said that, if your heart is set on a gasser, I would go with 4.10 axle gearing, as it is far more likely you could keep that engine in the higher rpm range where the gassers find max torque.
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05-18-2016, 10:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DogFather
I notice GM & Ford will only put a 3.73 rear axle in their ½T PUs(pickups). A 4.10 rear axle would better for towing.
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F150 with max towing can tow 12k lbs (on paper). Payload will make it impossible to tow your 10K tt. (previous experience)
With the tt weight as well as the ultimate tongue weight, even on flat roads with no wind, a tt/tv with a 1/2 ton will be an accident waiting to happen.
We upgraded to the F250. See signi below. We ordered it with everything we needed to tow 12K lbs with plenty of payload left over at 3,600 lbs; most trucks on the lot had the 3.73 axle, but with special order, we could get the 4.30.
Previously, we had a half ton for better mileage with our previous 7,500# (loaded) 30'1/2" tt with a tongue weight of 1,100lbs so we could stay withing the range of 13%-15% of weight on the tongue. It didn't leave room for 'stuff' in the truck bed, and minimal weight in the front bedroom cabinets or front outside storage.
Hope our experience helps some
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