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Old 07-16-2015, 11:41 AM   #11
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Ha ha!!! Just noticed your login name! Pulling up Sunset, and out of Camp Verde, you may want to change that to frustrated Dave, although with the 5.7, you could gear down and pull it fine. Coming down two said hills would possibly have you earning your login name, DANGER DAVE. I see people doing it all the time... I would not.
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:43 AM   #12
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Scoutr2 thank you.

Interesting information.

Because I'm close, and I know all the cautionary caveats....

Honestly how conservative are these figures? Do I have ANY leeway on this?

If I'm 500 over am I going off the road in a fiery ball of death?
Note that the 8750# is the MOST your trailer can safely carry. There is another spec there labeled "dry weight." That's what your trailer weighs, from the factory, without any accessories. Accessories can include batteries, propane tanks (filled), awning, and any other option your dealer might add, such as a propane grill on the rear bumper. Only a CAT scale will tell you your actual weight.

When I bought my 2007 Keystone Outback, I was very close to my capacities with my 1500 Suburban. Technically, I was within the limits. But the Sub struggled mightily with the load. Handling was dismal. And I never felt truly safe or secure in the thought of the Sub dying in mid-trip some day. When I upgraded to my 3/4-ton Crew Cab, the difference was like night and day!

IF you are very judicious about what you load into your trailer and the bed of your truck, you should be OK. But you will still be testing the limits of the truck's specs. So only you can decide whether or not you want to test the waters. Do you intend to take long trips? Are your travels mostly mountainous/hilly, or are they mostly flat land? What kind of condition is your truck in? Lots of things to consider.

Ball of fire? Probably not. But Dead-On-Road? Maybe. And again, you may be fine. But personally. I enjoy trips more when I am confident I can get to my destination safely and with few hassles.

I was lucky enough to be able to afford trading tow vehicles right after buying a new trailer. Not everyone can do that. Perhaps you can find a trailer a little smaller/lighter - or are you absolutely rock-solid sold on the 27RLS? Just something to think about.
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:46 AM   #13
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snip...... Honestly how conservative are these figures? Do I have ANY leeway on this?......snip
There isn't a plus/minus tolerance on a TV manufacture's weight limit specification, at least I have never seen one in an owners manual......, do manufactures build-in a liability/warranty cushion, maybe.

My JOF thread recommendations to folks are based on the respective TV & RV manufacture's specified weight limits because everyone has different loading habits, towing expectations, region towing will take place (flats, mountains, etc.), unknown road/weather conditions, WDH adjustment knowledge, different TV mechanical status, etc..

It all boils down to the fact that some folks work within a TV & RV manufacture's weight limits, others don't......., your choice.

Whatever your decision, IMO a CAT scale weigh-in is the best $9 to $12 investment one can make.

CAT Scale how-to: https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f3...html#post24549

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Old 07-16-2015, 11:47 AM   #14
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I'm guessing you'll be way over tongue weight as well. With a max 9000# towing capacity, it's likely your max allowable tongue weight is around 900#. Check your manual to see if it defines what your max tongue weight can be. If not, there should be a sticker on the hitch. If they both have a number, you go with the lowest. (If either is lower, it's likely to be the manual not the hitch sticker).
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I will be towing a Jay Flight 27RLS with the extra water capacity (82 gallons) I assume the GVW listed at 8750 takes this into account.

TV is a 2011 Toyota Tundra crewmax 4x4 with the 5.7l V8 and tow package. Full WD / anti-sway set up including the Husky anti-sway brake-like device. I've seen several different figures for the max tow capacity, but none less than 9000.

opinions? dare I ask. We do pull a 125 mile stretch that starts at 1300 and ends at 6800.

Thanks!

Are you adding a ton (literally) of options to this 27 RLS? I show it's weight is 5765 lbs.
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Old 07-16-2015, 12:09 PM   #16
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thanks

All VERY interesting information. I am cautious by nature, so I'll give this a limited engagement trial and then change out the truck if I need to.

The wife has already decided the 27RLS is staying over the X23B we are moving from so you know how that's going to go.....

I REALLY appreciate the time and patience you all have in answering these questions. Invaluable to someone who is new and unsure.

Thanks again!
Dave

And Tim L - yep Camp Verde and Sunset will be the tests!
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The GVWR of the 27RLS is 8750 which is what it would weigh with all fluids, etc etc (80 gal water tank) right?
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specs for the Jay Flight 27RLS 2015 model year


Weights & Measures

Weights
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) 6,030
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) 695
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) 8,600
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) 2,570
Measurements
Exterior Length30'
Exterior Width96"
Exterior Height with A/C135"
Interior Height (Living Area)81"
Queen Bed60 x 80
Sofa42 x 70
Optional Hide-A-Bed Sofa56 x 76
Wheel Base238-3/4"
Tank Capacities
Fresh Water Capacity (gals) includes water heater44
Fresh Water Capacity (gals) includes water heater & optional fresh water tank82
Gray Waste Water Capacity (gals)39
Black Waste Water Capacity (gals)39
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Putting it to the experts please....

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The GVWR of the 27RLS is 8750 which is what it would weigh with all fluids, etc etc (80 gal water tank) right?

That is the max weight it can be. If you don't load it to the max, it won't weigh the max. All depends on what you pack and if you carry water, etc.

Your tongue weight is still likely to be over 900# even if you don't hit the GVWR of the trailer though.
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weight

another way to say that is "If you fill it to the max, it will weight 8750" right?
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