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Old 07-16-2015, 08:11 AM   #1
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Putting it to the experts please....

I will be towing a Jay Flight 27RLS with the extra water capacity (82 gallons) I assume the GVW listed at 8750 takes this into account.

TV is a 2011 Toyota Tundra crewmax 4x4 with the 5.7l V8 and tow package. Full WD / anti-sway set up including the Husky anti-sway brake-like device. I've seen several different figures for the max tow capacity, but none less than 9000.

opinions? dare I ask. We do pull a 125 mile stretch that starts at 1300 and ends at 6800.

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Your tongue weight could be as high as 1312 pounds or more, depending on where your water tanks are located and how you pack things. So you have to take that into consideration. Also, you must add that max tongue weight, the weight of your hitch, all cargo/gear you might load into your truck bed, plus the weight of all passengers to come up with your cargo weight. Compare that to the cargo capacity of your vehicle.

The cargo weight and the weight of the vehicle must also be added together and compared to the GVWR of your Tundra. Then you be the judge.
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Check the door pillars on your truck.. it should show the max tow capacity for your truck as it left the factory... don't forget to add weight of all passengers+ cargo in the truck
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In order for you to get good opinions you need to provide more information Check the link below to give you a better idea of your weights


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Check the door pillars on your truck.. it should show the max tow capacity for your truck as it left the factory... don't forget to add weight of all passengers+ cargo in the truck
The door pillar sticker should also give you the Max Cargo Capacity and the GVWR, which will most likely be your limiting factors. I'm sure your powertrain is capable of pulling the load (towing capacity), but the other two figures are the limits to how much your truck's suspension can safely carry. Two different things.

Also note that the GVWR printed on your trailer's sticker is the weight limit for how much your trailer's axles and/or tires can carry. Usually, the tires are the limiting factor. So if that sticker says GVWR is 8750#, that implies the weight of the trailer, water in tanks, awning, propane tanks, and then, food/gear/beverages. You would be surprised how much all that stuff can weigh and how quickly it adds up. And if your water tanks are forward of the axles, the tongue weight can increase with tanks filled.
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[QUOTE=dangerdave;322367]I will be towing a Jay Flight 27RLS with the extra water capacity (82 gallons) I assume the GVW listed at 8750 takes this into account. [QUOTE]
I expect the TT's GVWR is more related to what the axles can support than the weight you can add.

If the max tow weight for a base Tundra is 9000# I would expect your model to be less since it's 4x4 and crewmax.
That said, I would also expect you to max out the rear axle before hitting the GVWR or max tow numbers.

Water weighs in at 8.34 lb/gal so you could add 683# in just water alone. Considering some additional weight of hot dogs and adult bev's could make you a tad heavy. I'd suggest visiting the scales with a load of water and fuel and people to see where you are weight wise. "It's the only way to be sure."
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Thank you all for the great info.

According to my sticker I'm GAWR FRT: 4000 GAWR RR: 4150 with a GVWR of 7200

I have the tow package and the TRD suspension. Looking up my exact model in the owner's manual, it says for my model it's 9000 pounds.

The specs of the TT say 8750 GVWR.
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Thank you all for the great info.

According to my sticker I'm GAWR FRT: 4000 GAWR RR: 4150 with a GVWR of 7200

I have the tow package and the TRD suspension. Looking up my exact model in the owner's manual, it says for my model it's 9000 pounds.

The specs of the TT say 8750 GVWR.
It will be VERY close, for every spec. If your trailer is fully loaded (GVWR), it will weigh 8750#, and then you only have 250# of cargo to spare. Just the passengers will probably put you over.
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Hmm

Scoutr2 thank you.

Interesting information.

Because I'm close, and I know all the cautionary caveats....

Honestly how conservative are these figures? Do I have ANY leeway on this?

If I'm 500 over am I going off the road in a fiery ball of death?
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Looking up your truck specs, I would say you will be beyond your limits. There is MORE than trailer weight to consider, as Scoutr2 pointed out. You are okay, but pushing it, with total trailer weight. You run into problems with your Tow Vehicle's payload, tongue weight, and probably rear axle load.

What I find gives the curb weight of your vehicle to be 5660 lbs. at 7200 GVW, this only allows you to carry 1540 lbs. This would be all passengers, cargo in the bed, and TONGUE WEIGHT. As Scoutr2 said, your tongue weight could be as high as 1300 lbs, leaving only 240 remaining for you, passengers, and cargo. whether that will exceed you rear axle, a scale would have to tell you that one. However, Toyota specs the MAX tongue weight for your truck at 1010 to 1050 depending on exact model. 12% of your trailer max is 1050 lbs. (12% being a good tongue weight) but could be as high as 15%, or 1300+ lbs.

Sunset Point will be NO FUN to pull up, and coming down it with the curves will be no fun either!!! ( I am in Sierra Vista, and camp near Flag, or at the rim, and I tow a very similar weight trailer, but with a 1 ton dually diesel. Overkill, but worth it!)
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Ha ha!!! Just noticed your login name! Pulling up Sunset, and out of Camp Verde, you may want to change that to frustrated Dave, although with the 5.7, you could gear down and pull it fine. Coming down two said hills would possibly have you earning your login name, DANGER DAVE. I see people doing it all the time... I would not.
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Scoutr2 thank you.

Interesting information.

Because I'm close, and I know all the cautionary caveats....

Honestly how conservative are these figures? Do I have ANY leeway on this?

If I'm 500 over am I going off the road in a fiery ball of death?
Note that the 8750# is the MOST your trailer can safely carry. There is another spec there labeled "dry weight." That's what your trailer weighs, from the factory, without any accessories. Accessories can include batteries, propane tanks (filled), awning, and any other option your dealer might add, such as a propane grill on the rear bumper. Only a CAT scale will tell you your actual weight.

When I bought my 2007 Keystone Outback, I was very close to my capacities with my 1500 Suburban. Technically, I was within the limits. But the Sub struggled mightily with the load. Handling was dismal. And I never felt truly safe or secure in the thought of the Sub dying in mid-trip some day. When I upgraded to my 3/4-ton Crew Cab, the difference was like night and day!

IF you are very judicious about what you load into your trailer and the bed of your truck, you should be OK. But you will still be testing the limits of the truck's specs. So only you can decide whether or not you want to test the waters. Do you intend to take long trips? Are your travels mostly mountainous/hilly, or are they mostly flat land? What kind of condition is your truck in? Lots of things to consider.

Ball of fire? Probably not. But Dead-On-Road? Maybe. And again, you may be fine. But personally. I enjoy trips more when I am confident I can get to my destination safely and with few hassles.

I was lucky enough to be able to afford trading tow vehicles right after buying a new trailer. Not everyone can do that. Perhaps you can find a trailer a little smaller/lighter - or are you absolutely rock-solid sold on the 27RLS? Just something to think about.
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snip...... Honestly how conservative are these figures? Do I have ANY leeway on this?......snip
There isn't a plus/minus tolerance on a TV manufacture's weight limit specification, at least I have never seen one in an owners manual......, do manufactures build-in a liability/warranty cushion, maybe.

My JOF thread recommendations to folks are based on the respective TV & RV manufacture's specified weight limits because everyone has different loading habits, towing expectations, region towing will take place (flats, mountains, etc.), unknown road/weather conditions, WDH adjustment knowledge, different TV mechanical status, etc..

It all boils down to the fact that some folks work within a TV & RV manufacture's weight limits, others don't......., your choice.

Whatever your decision, IMO a CAT scale weigh-in is the best $9 to $12 investment one can make.

CAT Scale how-to: http://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f3...html#post24549

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I'm guessing you'll be way over tongue weight as well. With a max 9000# towing capacity, it's likely your max allowable tongue weight is around 900#. Check your manual to see if it defines what your max tongue weight can be. If not, there should be a sticker on the hitch. If they both have a number, you go with the lowest. (If either is lower, it's likely to be the manual not the hitch sticker).
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I will be towing a Jay Flight 27RLS with the extra water capacity (82 gallons) I assume the GVW listed at 8750 takes this into account.

TV is a 2011 Toyota Tundra crewmax 4x4 with the 5.7l V8 and tow package. Full WD / anti-sway set up including the Husky anti-sway brake-like device. I've seen several different figures for the max tow capacity, but none less than 9000.

opinions? dare I ask. We do pull a 125 mile stretch that starts at 1300 and ends at 6800.

Thanks!

Are you adding a ton (literally) of options to this 27 RLS? I show it's weight is 5765 lbs.
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All VERY interesting information. I am cautious by nature, so I'll give this a limited engagement trial and then change out the truck if I need to.

The wife has already decided the 27RLS is staying over the X23B we are moving from so you know how that's going to go.....

I REALLY appreciate the time and patience you all have in answering these questions. Invaluable to someone who is new and unsure.

Thanks again!
Dave

And Tim L - yep Camp Verde and Sunset will be the tests!
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The GVWR of the 27RLS is 8750 which is what it would weigh with all fluids, etc etc (80 gal water tank) right?
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specs for the Jay Flight 27RLS 2015 model year


Weights & Measures

Weights
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) 6,030
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) 695
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) 8,600
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) 2,570
Measurements
Exterior Length30'
Exterior Width96"
Exterior Height with A/C135"
Interior Height (Living Area)81"
Queen Bed60 x 80
Sofa42 x 70
Optional Hide-A-Bed Sofa56 x 76
Wheel Base238-3/4"
Tank Capacities
Fresh Water Capacity (gals) includes water heater44
Fresh Water Capacity (gals) includes water heater & optional fresh water tank82
Gray Waste Water Capacity (gals)39
Black Waste Water Capacity (gals)39
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The GVWR of the 27RLS is 8750 which is what it would weigh with all fluids, etc etc (80 gal water tank) right?

That is the max weight it can be. If you don't load it to the max, it won't weigh the max. All depends on what you pack and if you carry water, etc.

Your tongue weight is still likely to be over 900# even if you don't hit the GVWR of the trailer though.
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another way to say that is "If you fill it to the max, it will weight 8750" right?
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