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Old 06-13-2014, 02:16 PM   #11
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Not to divert from the OPs question (actually after thinking about it, I do think it pertains), but I was always of the understanding that a shorter distance between the rear axle and the hitch ball (pivot point) contributed more to stable towing than overall TV length. In other words, while the long bed makes for a longer wheel base (good for towing) there is more distance between the axle and hitch ball (bad for towing) than a short bed. How much of a difference is up for debate, but the whole principle behind Hensley hitches is to move the pivot point closer to the axle and gain stability.

So I wonder, could the long bed be a bad thing or a good thing for towing?
I will have to think about that, not sure at the moment. But based on your thinking a short bed long wheel base would be best for trailers. right?

You get the benifit of slower changes based upon steering imput and less tail wagging on the TV that could intruduce sway into the trailer.

Now that I think about, it makes perfect sense. Crew cab short bed for me.
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Old 06-13-2014, 03:58 PM   #12
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Not to divert from the OPs question (actually after thinking about it, I do think it pertains), but I was always of the understanding that a shorter distance between the rear axle and the hitch ball (pivot point) contributed more to stable towing than overall TV length. In other words, while the long bed makes for a longer wheel base (good for towing) there is more distance between the axle and hitch ball (bad for towing) than a short bed. How much of a difference is up for debate, but the whole principle behind Hensley hitches is to move the pivot point closer to the axle and gain stability.

So I wonder, could the long bed be a bad thing or a good thing for towing?
On 2009 and up F150's (and possibly others) the distance from the axle to the tailgate is the same on the 5.5' and 6.5' beds. The added foot is in the front of the box. Look at the quarter panel length between the rear wheel well and back of the cab and you'll find the extra 12". The overhang from the hitch to the axle would be the same for either length box.

Another thing to consider is the use of the term "long" or "short". Many trucks now days (depending on cab size) can have 3 bed lengths available: 8', 6.5', and 5.5'. Short bed super crew is 5.5', long bed super crew is 6.5'. Short bed regular cab is 6.5', long bed regular cab is 8'...speaking for '09 and up Fords specifically.
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All of the wdh/sway control info I read, states a caution that short trucks has a tendency to induce sway, in some cases. Doesn't explain "short" or "induce". I have about 7m miles with a short bed 2500hd gmc, tt is a 2012 Jayco 298rls, and I am satisfied(no white knuckles so far). I drop 5 links on my husky wdh and have a sway bar on both sides.
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OP is asking if higher tow rating with long bed vs short bed. If all other features are the same the answer is no,
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A short bed on a crew cab is actually a long bed wheel base (or close).
You bring up a very good point. Even though I have a short bed truck, it is an extended cab. Therefore I guess it isn't really a short wheelbase truck. Even though I never thought of it as as a long wheelbase truck, actually it has close to the same as a standard cab/long box truck.
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Not to divert from the OPs question (actually after thinking about it, I do think it pertains), but I was always of the understanding that a shorter distance between the rear axle and the hitch ball (pivot point) contributed more to stable towing than overall TV length. In other words, while the long bed makes for a longer wheel base (good for towing) there is more distance between the axle and hitch ball (bad for towing) than a short bed. How much of a difference is up for debate, but the whole principle behind Hensley hitches is to move the pivot point closer to the axle and gain stability.

So I wonder, could the long bed be a bad thing or a good thing for towing?
I think you will find that the distance from the rear wheels to the hitch ball is the same for short or long bed trucks. The long bed axle is farther from the front axle. I towed our 25ft Prowler with a short cab short bed exactly four times before we went shopping for a longer truck.
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Many trucks now days (depending on cab size) can have 3 bed lengths available: 8', 6.5', and 5.5'. Short bed super crew is 5.5', long bed super crew is 6.5'. Short bed regular cab is 6.5', long bed regular cab is 8'...speaking for '09 and up Fords specifically.
Makes sense. These lengths do vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. I'm not sure what length the short box on the 2014 GMs is, but on mine its 5' 8". That may not sound like much but for me its the difference in being to haul bikes standing up in the bed.

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I think you will find that the distance from the rear wheels to the hitch ball is the same for short or long bed trucks. The long bed axle is farther from the front axle. I towed our 25ft Prowler with a short cab short bed exactly four times before we went shopping for a longer truck.
I'll have to pay more attention to this. I don't see to many true long bed PUs. My recollection is that the axle is centered under the bed on them, but I could be wrong.
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bigger the truck better the tow
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I drive my F250 as a daily driver and when I get in my wifes 4 runner I am all over the road for a few minutes adjusting to the change in quickness of steering input. It's night and day different in towing. We tow an enclosed motorcycle trailer with the 4 runner and it pulls it fine but it's a quick steering rig to me and I like slow steering when I am pulling.
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It depends on what your dragging around. I have a F350 Crew cab Long box(8') with a 385bhs 5er. I've seen guys pulling similar size fivers and TT with the crew cab short bed. I can notice that the short bed tend to sag in the rear end a lot more than the long boxes. I will agree with the others about parking a 4 door with the long box tends to be a little more difficult, but once you gets used to it you will be able to slip it in arywhere.
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