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Old 09-28-2011, 11:35 AM   #11
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I would pull it just as it is before spending a bunch of money on air bags. You may find that they are not necessary. You never mentioned what the pin weight on your trailer is. I really doubt that it will over load your truck.
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Old 09-28-2011, 01:58 PM   #12
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snip......You never mentioned what the pin weight on your trailer is......snip
The OP just ordered a new 2012 Pinnacle, so we have been working with some assumptions on a targeted loaded pin weight on the Pinnacle.

The OP stated he has a 15K hitch...., but your correct, the loaded pin weight on an existing FW hasn't been mentioned.

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Old 09-28-2011, 02:09 PM   #13
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I could be reaching here but that particular model has the heaviest pin weight of all the 5that Jayco sells. To put it on a stock 2500 truck may be unsafe based on kin pin weight rating of 2665#'s, plus your hitch set up. Dry, no gear, tools or anything your looking at close to a 2800# payload if the numbers are actual. You'll be stretching your axel, spring and stock tires IMHO.

As for the pulling of 15K I think you will be fine, but your payload may have you beyond your limits which may be something they (dealers) are not figuring into the account. 5th wheel pin weights can vary significantly from one to another. I have the same GVCW as yours but my pin is 200+ pounds lighter than yours.

If your trip home is short then see how it sits first then figure out what to add and where after you see and feel it. If you can scale it loaded then even better to see exactly where you are and how to get into safe ranges on your springs. Also you might want to upgrage your rubber to E rated if you don't have already.

There's no reason you can't get your truck close to a SRW 3500 ratings with the exception of the axel which may be different.

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Old 09-28-2011, 03:56 PM   #14
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The OP just ordered a new 2012 Pinnacle, so we have been working with some assumptions on a targeted loaded pin weight on the Pinnacle.

The OP stated he has a 15K hitch...., but your correct, the loaded pin weight on an existing FW hasn't been mentioned.

Bob

Bob that was my point. It may be ok for total weight but possibly not for weight ON the truck. On the srw Dodge the rear end is the same for 3/4 and one ton trucks. The difference is in the spring pack. That is why I suggested he pull it and if the front of the truck is pointed at the sky he may have to do something different. A slider hitch is probably a must for his application.
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:23 PM   #15
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I just checked the ratings on my hitch. Its rated to tow 15000 lbs with a pin weight of 3500 lbs. I am going to try and attach two pictures that I took at the dealership where I had them hook up the 2011 lkts that they had on the lot. They sat it down on my hitch and raised both front jacks off the ground. They would have let me try hauling it but had no capture plate for the pin on the trailer, that my hitch requires. The shop forman looked at it and said looked pretty good considering I only had 45lbs of low preasure in my tires whereas I inflate to 70 when towing in heavy mode. There's a button on my dash to set for light or heavy loads with tires set respectfully at 45lbs & 70lbs. Click image for larger version

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Man I sure hope I didn't make a major mistake here. I've got 17k miles on this truck, sure can't take a digger on that especially after ordering this trailer. Both car & trailer places said I'd be fine. I don't mind if I have to make some truck modifications but cannot buy new vehicle at this time, way to much of a loss. This one cost me 54k+. When I pick it up the new fiver I have about a 60 mile drive home and I plan on installing air bags for sure.
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Smitty,

Well, I guess only a visit to a CAT scale will tell you what you are dealing with once you have your new FW, and it may not even be a problem depending on your loading habits.

Oh, with the FW slides out the pin weight will be less than with the slides in. Same condition when dealing with TT tongue weights.

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ps: Sure is a nice looking fifth wheel!
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Old 09-29-2011, 10:42 PM   #17
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Very nice looking trailer. To me the front of the truck looks a little high.
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That's a nice looking setup! I would agree with clutch that your front axels look light and the truck is pitched upward. Keep in mind you will hit bumps and might get some see-sawing as you go without the proper support.

Maybe the truck dealer can tell you exactly what the differences in spring packages are between yours and a SRW 3500? It might be cheaper to add the proper spring(s) direct from Dodge.

Does that unit have the washer/dryer setup? That would also throw in more weight on the pin. My rig sits perfectly level and pushes my rear down about 1.5" from no load. Like RE said, get to a scale and see how your axels are affected under load and then make your corrections.

I don't think you need a new truck if everything said is true about the differences between a SRW 3500 and yours. Spring mods you can do reasonably to get the capacitities, it's the axel that you need to confirm. If it is the same as mentioned above then you should get where you need to based on spring and rubber mods.
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Attached is a handy link that I found for calculating towing weights. You plug in your information and then it calculates it for you.http://changingears.com/rv-sec-calc-...eight-tt.shtml I belong to a Dodge Forum and did find out through them that the third generation 2500's and 3500's are identical other than the 3500 has overload springs mounted above the main leaf packs. My co-worker has a 2009 Dodge 3500 and I went out and counted his springs and yes, he has 7. I counted mine and I have 5. His extra's are on top. I'm confirming this with my Truck Dealership to make sure that they are the same axels and at the same time, getting a quote for the extra springs. My tires are LT265/70R17E so I'm not sure if the "E" at the end means that they are "E" rated. Maybe someone could direct me in that area. I also found a forum here where it lists locations of CAT scales. The closest one to me is 60 miles in the opposit direction where I'm getting the fifth wheel from. That's fine for now, because the unit won't even be here until November and I won't pick up until spring. Got lot's of time to get this truck in order but in the mean time I sure am learning a lot. Again, lots and lots of info here.
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Old 09-30-2011, 02:43 PM   #20
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Smitty, I recently had air bags installed on my 3500 srw Dodge. Now towing my trailer and hauling my Rhino on the truck I am level. I had Firestone bags installed for around $500. I like the adjustability of the bags.
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