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Old 09-30-2011, 03:00 PM   #21
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Clutch, I was looking at the Firestone air bags today. Found a website that has them for around $255. with free shipping. I would either have to install or find out how much an independent garage would charge. Looking for different options.
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Does yours have the compressor or manual fill?
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Old 09-30-2011, 03:15 PM   #22
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Smitty, The last E in your tire size is rating so you should be good there.
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Old 09-30-2011, 03:54 PM   #23
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I just called a local concrete plant and they have a truck scale. It only has one platform. Can I just put the front wheels on, then the entire truck and finally the back wheels to get three separate readings, or do you need a scale with three platforms?
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Smitty, I bought mine at NAPA and they were $420. The install was around $100. I have two seperate valves to fill them. I didn't get the air pump as I have lots of compressors already.
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Old 09-30-2011, 06:35 PM   #25
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I don't think you can get as accurate as with a CAT scale but here is what you could do to give you an idea and close range of what your truck is under. Provided the ground leading up to the platform is fairly level.

Without trailer:
1. Weigh your truck with full fuel and hitch. Take weight.
2. Put your front half of your truck over the scale with the rear axel off. Take weight
3. Put your rear half over the scale. Take weight.

With trailer:

repeat above steps and make sure the truck is setup the same as first readings then add the following steps.

4. Truck with both axels and no trailer on scale. take weight.
5. Truck with trailer on scale. Take weight. GVCW.
6. Trailer axels on scale. Take weight.


These type scales usually avg to the nearest 20# increment.

With all those readings you can get a pretty good sense of what types of loads your TV is under in the variuos areas. It's not going to be as accurate as a CAT reading but it's better than guessing and calculating just based on manufacturer posted weights.

You should load your camper like you would going out to get those numbers as true as possible.
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I am going to try and get the truck weighed next week. Cannot do anything with the trailer yet as it is not even built. What I can do is use what Bob suggested earlier in this post is to take the maximum weight of the trailer and use 20% of that for the pin weight. He used 15,950 @ 20% that would be 3,190 lbs pin weight. Once the truck is weighed I should be able to get some idea where I am at. I sure hope the figures are in my favor. Guess I'll go from there.
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Old 10-03-2011, 09:51 AM   #27
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Got some actual weights

OK, hereís the scoop. I went to the scale this morning and was surprised how accurate it was. I weighed myself this morning and when I took the full weight of the truck and then stepped out and read the adjusted weight without me and it was within a pound.
The GAWR rating for my truck off of the sticker on the door is 6010. The weight of the rear axel was 3180. This leaves 2830 left over. The GVW at the truck scale with passengerís, full tank of fuel and the hitch mounted, weighed 7960. The GVWR for my truck is 9600. I stopped at the dealership where I bought my truck on the way home and had them look up the gear ratio. It is 3.73 with a 11 Ĺ rear axel. I asked them what the difference was between the 1-ton and ĺ ton and they told me only the springs. I donít get it. In your honest opinion, should I try and cancel the order on the Pinnacle Fifth Wheel, as I cannot afford to take a hit on my truck to upgrade to a 1 ton as itís only a year old with 17,000 miles on it. I do not want to own a Dually and I really like my truck. The trailer has not actually been put on the assembly line yet. Iíve put down a $5,000.00 deposit and the RV Dealership still has to call me back and confirm everything before they actually start the build. Iíd really like to own this RV but do not want to put myself or wife at any risk while towing it. Again, thanks for your help.
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Old 10-03-2011, 12:18 PM   #28
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This is a personal choice and many guys out there pull fairly large rigs with 2500 series trucks across all brands. Most of the brands out there in comparing a SRW 2500 series vs 3500 series are exactly the same in build with the exception of the spring package and possibly brakes.

That leaves the rear. SRW are lighter overall vs a DRW.
This leaves you two options. Upgrade your springs to a 3500 series package. Your ride will suffer and firm up. Second option is adjustable air bags which will be adjustable and not in effect when your not towing giving you your stock ride which you seem happy with.
Try searching in other forums spring upgrades and such to see what hits. I am sure there are others like yourself who have increased their load capacity. I met a guy this summer who made his 1500 a 3500 in spring cap to haul around a slide in. It has been and can be done.
Are 4 tires safer than 2, yes. You could go up to a higher rated tire to increase your axel load capacity.
If after all that you still do not feel right about it see what the dealer can do for you. Or maybe start there and see if you have an out. I am thinking you don't due to the nature of dealers, but maybe you will have luck. Worst case maybe you can just shift to another model Jayco. They do buy all your equipment before building, so just because it isn't built yet or scheduled doesn't mean there aren't funds being laid out for materials to build it.
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Sorry this is a little long but I want to share with all who have advised me with where I am at with this situation. Below is the email that I sent to my RV Dealership after I had my tow vehicle weighed this morning.

As you can see the GVWR on my truck is 9600 LBS. I weighed the truck with a full tank of gas, the hitch and myself, it weighed 7960 LBS. That leaves only 1640 LBS for the pin weight of the trailer. The dry pin weight is 2665 LBS.

The GAWR rating for my rear axel on the sticker above is 6010 LBS. I weighed just the rear axel of my truck at the scale and it was 3180 LBS. This leaves 2830 LBS for a maximum pin weight. The dry pin weight of the Pinnacle is 2665 which only leaves 350 lbs of extra weight when the trailer is loaded, washer/dryer, gear, water, etc.

My hitch has a maximum trailer rating of 15,000 LBS with a pin of 3,500 LBS. I think Iím OK there but I am really, really concerned about the rest of the ratings. I sure do not want to put my wife nor myself in jeopardy towing this trailer with my truck. I have a lot of concerns here.

I did call up the place you told me about who upgrades trucks in your area and asked them about spring or air bag upgrades but no one has returned my call. I did find some air bags on my own and I think they would do the trick as far as leveling out the truck but it is the weight limits that concern me the most.

I want you to look these over and want to see what you come up with for me before you go any further on actually ordering this fifth wheel. Unless I feel I can be confident that my truck can pull it, I will not want to go further on it.

I donít want you to think that Iíve got wet feet on this, as Mary and I really want to own this unit, but I put our safety first. Please put on hold until you or someone else can convince me that my tow vehicle will tow this unit safely.
Call me at your earliest convenience.
Thanks,
Mark


BELOW IS THEIR RESPONSE

"Being an RV dealer we can never recommend that someone pull something that is over the rating for their tow vehicle. We have people that do it but I cannot tell you that it is ok or safe. Has your Dodge dealer given you any insight into what the truck is actually rated for? The final decision has to be up to you and whether or not you feel comfortable pulling that camper with your truck. I can tell you what the camper weighs but I can not recommend that you pull it if the truck is not rated for it.

If these answers mean that we might not make the sale then thatís what it means. I am not going to try to push you guys into something by telling you that you will ďbe fineĒ just because other people have done it. I know that this is a big decision for you guys and I am here to help if I can."


I replied to him to hold for now until I can research this more. This is one of the best Dealerships that I've had a chance to work with.
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Definitely an honest dealer that seems to have the consumers best interest front and center. I would buy from him just based on his principles and honesty.

If you can get out of it and find something that you both love and feel very comfortable in towing then I would do it.

It's supposed to be fun and exciting while not giving you that uneasy feeling everytime you get in front of it.

Just curiuos, did they ask when you were orginally purchasing what you were pulling with? Type of potential hitch install or something else? That would be my first question to a buyer as a salesman. What are you going to pull this massive unit with? It just seems after the fact but they are giving you the wiggle room you need which is good.
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