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09-11-2014, 07:24 PM
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The force required should be the same in forward and reverse. But if perhaps the WDH, is creating a different force vector perhaps it is different.
Think of a push lawn mower. As you push it you exert downward force on the handle creating more drag, when you pull it you don't therefor it is easier to pull a lawn mower than to push it.
Does this pertain to a truck and trailer?????
Do not know and quite frankly it has been almost 30 years since I had to care.
Good luck
P.S. I do not believe a front hitch mount will change anything
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09-12-2014, 06:09 AM
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Then explain the wheelspin in reverse versus forward. Weight transfer.
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Poor throttle modulation?
Crunching some numbers now...
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09-12-2014, 08:08 AM
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Have you ever noticed, when you pull something with your truck, the back end will squat down. But if you notice, when you try to push something backwards the back end wants to raise up. You can watch the truck bed over the tires when you do this and you can see what I'm talking about.
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09-12-2014, 09:45 AM
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It does always seem easier to pull something than to push it, but I've never bothered myself with why. Like my garden cart; I will pull that thing an extra 30 ft to avoid having to push it anywhere. It would be interesting to discover exactly why this is. It would stand to reason that everything else being constant, the effort to move the vehicles should be equal... 
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09-12-2014, 09:46 AM
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Yes, but you can't ignore the effect of the incline on the tongue weight. When you push the trailer on level ground, yes, the suspension unloads slightly. But to what extent is that offset by the increase in tongue weight?
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09-12-2014, 09:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Camper_bob
It does always seem easier to pull something than to push it, but I've never bothered myself with why. Like my garden cart; I will pull that thing an extra 30 ft to avoid having to push it anywhere. It would be interesting to discover exactly why this is. It would stand to reason that everything else being constant, the effort to move the vehicles should be equal... |
I explained it above. you exert downward force when pushing adding friction.
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09-12-2014, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by nbhybrid
I explained it above. you exert downward force when pushing adding friction.
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Yes, but is that all of it? The whole story? I still find myself wondering... I can change the angle of the handle on my garden cart, thus eliminating any downward force wasted, and it's still more difficult to push than to pull...
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09-12-2014, 12:03 PM
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That's why you put the horse in front of the plow and not behind it.
Some things just pull better than they push.
 Just having a little fun!
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09-13-2014, 08:34 PM
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If you haven't pushed a trailer with a front hitch you don't know what you are missing. It makes maneuvering a trailer real easy because your steer wheels are right next to the hitch.
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09-14-2014, 06:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by clutch
If you haven't pushed a trailer with a front hitch you don't know what you are missing. It makes maneuvering a trailer real easy because your steer wheels are right next to the hitch.
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maneuverability is not his issue though. Traction is...front hitch IMO will make it worse
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09-14-2014, 04:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nbhybrid
maneuverability is not his issue though. Traction is...front hitch IMO will make it worse
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Traction would be a problem if the OP had 2WD. He has 4WD so he should have the same or more traction in forward with a front hitch.
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09-14-2014, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mjlaupp
Traction would be a problem if the OP had 2WD. He has 4WD so he should have the same or more traction in forward with a front hitch.
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I believe the TW would unload more weight off of the rear if it was hitched to the front than the front end would if hitched to the rear. The weight of the engine keeps the front end down pretty well. I think the truck would have better 4wd traction hooked to the rear.
but like you said it should be the same hence a front hitch wouldn't help the OP
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09-14-2014, 05:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cjf
....The driveway is packed gravel, and the wheels seem to spin more in reverse (although I use low gear and 4 wheel).....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustic Eagle
...."If" conditions allow, dis-engaged the WDH spring bars (leave hanging), this will return weight over the TV's rear axle. Make sure there aren't any ground clearance issues if you attempt this.....
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In addition, "If" the truck has a limited slip rear end, you can partially set the parking brake. This will provide some resistance to the wheel with less traction so it should not break free.
Above all watch for transmission overheat. If you do not have a water cooled or fan cooled transmission cooler this can happen very rapidly while backing a heavy load uphill.
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