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Old 10-02-2014, 06:03 AM   #21
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I would highly recommend a half ton pickup truck for that kind of weight as I think you will be much happier in the long run. Try a ford Ecoboost and you still get excellent mpg running around unloaded as well as having an excellent tow vehicle.
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Old 10-02-2014, 06:10 AM   #22
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Not trying to push the truck but my F150 Crew Cab has a ton of room in the back seat area. My 2 boys get lost back there. The EcoBoost with the Max Tow pulls like a champ. It's gas so you pay less for fuel. Its actually fun to drive with the turbo. It's my daily driver and I have been driving pick ups for a number of years. Can't imagine anything else. You can throw stuff in the back like firewood, weber smoker, bicycles ,portable waste tank(which gives you more camping options like staying in the primitive area away from all the people) etc.
You really want to pay attention to payload. Mine is 1866 lbs which is not too bad for a 1/2 ton. Good luck on your decision as I am trying to decide on a new TT. I know what it's like.
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Old 10-02-2014, 06:17 AM   #23
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And actually I'm reading incredible towing and payload numbers on the new 2015 F150's. A big factor contributing to this change is the F-150’s new aluminum body, which cut as much as 700 pounds from the old steel body.
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Old 10-02-2014, 06:25 AM   #24
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I know I said I was going to push but at least go test drive one. Make sure you take it on a highway and have some fun on the on ramp.
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Old 10-02-2014, 08:09 AM   #25
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I understand you don't want a truck but any crew cab truck today will have more leg room and shoulder room than a GC or tourag ever had.

it isn't even close.
Nbhybrid has it right here. You could put the tourag in the bed if you think you still need it.
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Old 10-02-2014, 08:17 AM   #26
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Mine is 1866 lbs which is not too bad for a 1/2 ton.
Hey Smoothy, that's actually really good for a 1/2 ton, mine's 1474.

OP, if you're still dead set on an SUV, you could look at the Ford Expeditions. They are VERY capable SUVs from a payload and towing perspective. I know you said you were wanting a smaller SUV, but if you HAVE to have an SUV, and you HAVE to have a big trailer, you can't do much better for towing than the Expedition. I was looking at one for DW not long ago and was very impressed.

Maybe a little off the point, but everyone I know who has owned a VW in the last 10 years or so have had nothing but problems with them. You couldn't pay me to buy one. But that's really just my biased opinion.
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Old 10-02-2014, 08:48 AM   #27
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Specs for 23 MB
WeightsUnloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs)4,200
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs)425

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http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f6...ler-93409.html
Dry weight is a fictional number. When you are ready to tow that trailer is going to be closer to 5500#-6000#. You will be overweight on your tongue limit. No one here is dismissing the ability of that diesel to tow it. Plenty of power. But towing is much more than power. It doesn't matter that people on the Toureg forum say "it'll be OK", or "you'll never know the trailer is back there". They aren't the ones that will have to deal with issues arising from going over your limits. It also doesn't matter than Europeans tow travel trailers with Touregs. TTs there have lower tongue weights, the vehicles are rated with different safety standards, etc. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

Look, a lot of us on this forum have been towing for many years. We've done what you are considering doing. As I said in a previous post, I've towed close to my limits twice. We're just trying to share that experience and help you have a pleasant towing experience rather than a nerve racking one. Even if its not nerve racking it'll limit you. Much better to buy a tow vehicle that gives you a 20% or 30% margin than push the limits. You have an opportunity to avoid that.

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I understand you don't want a truck but any crew cab truck today will have more leg room and shoulder room than a GC or tourag ever had.

it isn't even close.
Exactly! I would describe the back seat of our crew cab as cavernous. People get in it and are amazed at how roomy and comfortable it is. You would be amazed at how comfortable and nice is it to drive a full size PU. I've had SUVs, even a few Suburbans. I don't know why I didn't buy a truck before this one. Go look at them for yourself if you don't believe us.
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Old 10-02-2014, 09:01 AM   #28
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DocBrown is right on point, I completely agree with everything he said. I'm currently towing at my max, so I have a perspective that I think is worth noting, and if I can help another JOF member avoid the situation I'm in, I will do so. My rig is not dangerous, but I'm just tired of worrying about weights, I would rather just sit back and relax without having to be quite so "on the edge" all the time. That extra 20% capacity DocBrown is talking about has a direct effect on the driver's mental disposition when you're pulling tin down the road.

Of course, we all have decisions to make based on our own situations. Bottom line is you're the one making the note payment, you're the one pulling your rig down the road, you're the one responsible for your family's safety, so it's your decision. Since you're buying a new vehicle, you have a wonderful opportunity here to greatly enhance your RV experience.

I was also going to mention that if you're serious about off-roading, and you would consider a pickup that can tow, the Ram 2500 Powerwagon might be worth a look. Equipped with upgraded suspension and other off-road goodies, and the 6.4 Hemi, that truck is a force. Probably WAY too much truck for what you're considering, but hey, one can dream right?
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Old 10-02-2014, 09:16 AM   #29
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Thanks for the invaluable advices. Buying a truck is not an option. Our family with 2 kids would like to enjoy the camping trips. I think squeezing kids in a truck for 1000 miles might change their view on camping. I also want to use the SUV on daily basis for driving to work. We will eventually buy either GC or Touareg or another the same size SUV. But truck, no thanks
Welcome to the forum. As far as the truck goes, most people on here have kids or had kids and routinely tow them around in the truck on camping trips. No problems there with 2 kids. 4+ may be an issue with a truck but that would be and issue with any small SUV. Also there is nothing wrong with using it as a daily driver. My wife drives our F350 as a daily driver.

I towed my first small RV trailer with a small SUV and I was well within the weights. Never again though. I hated it and was always worried about weights. Not to mention, just because it falls inside of the weight limits doesn't mean it was designed to do it often and it will destroy and engine and tranny much quicker. It was very hard on the vehicle and the vehicle rode terribly as it didn't have the size to manage the heavy load with large sidewalls. Remember most of the effort in towing an RV is wind resistance and aerodynamics. You will feel headwinds. 5000 of rock on a flatbed is a whole different animal than 5000 lbs of RV.

If you are set on those two vehicles than definitely get one. But I do not recommend it as well.
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Old 10-02-2014, 10:28 AM   #30
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Please note that we are planning to buy 23MB not 23MBH

Specs for 23MBH
WeightsUnloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs)5,045
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs)590

Specs for 23 MB
WeightsUnloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs)4,200
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs)425
I'm well aware of specs for both units. Still wouldn't go with either of your choices.

In regards to towing with a truck, kids in back and all, have you looked at the inside of a Tundra? You can fit a clown circus in there.
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