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Old 07-07-2015, 02:54 PM   #11
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So I upgraded the truck. Now I'm so far under my specifications, I won't ever have to worry about it again.
So he says.....until he starts eying that nice new 5th wheel

Hahaha
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Old 07-07-2015, 03:46 PM   #12
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So he says.....until he starts eying that nice new 5th wheel

Hahaha
LOL! I was looking the other day. I had to stop myself; DW said the "D" word if I sold the trailer for a 5er!!

To be fair, before I traded the GMC for the RAM, we went through a lot of discussion that went like this:

DW: "YOU SAID the truck could tow that trailer! That's why we bought it, because you said the truck could tow it! Now you're telling me it's not enough truck and we bought the wrong trailer?!"

Me: "Yes, the truck CAN tow it. Yes, it's a lot of trailer for the truck, but we bought the trailer we loved. But if you want to carry more stuff, and you want to go further, and you want me to stop worrying about weight, AND you want to do all that safer and more enjoyable, then I need a bigger truck."

Serendipitously, in the end, I ended up with the truck I always wanted; the whole thing cost me a little money, but with my GMC there were too many compromises...
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The difference between the Rear GAWR (from the yellow sticker) and the drive axle weight (from the scales) is how much extra weight you can tolerate. If you weigh with the family, full fuel tank and some "stuff" in the back to simulate how you'd travel minus the trailer you have a good start. The remaining axle capacity can be devoted to the hitch (about 100#) and tongue weight. Divide the tongue number by 0.15 (15%) and that is your theoretical Max TT weight. Keep in mind that this is an estimate. If you target a TT weighing 1000# less than that # you are probably good to go.
The max TT weight is a loaded weight. Don't believe the weight in a brochure. Get the weight from an actual trailer and add 800# or so to get a real world weight number.
Do not believe a sales person who will tell you that everything is good and you are overthinking the situation.
The CAT Scale is your friend.
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Ok so I went to the cat scale yesterday to get a real world number. Truck came in at 4700 with wife and 2 kids. I also threw in the bed a bunch of heavy items from the garage to role play luggage or any other camping items I would throw back there instead of inside the TT. Now 4700 didn't include a weight distribution hitch and I had half a tank of gas so I would assume 4850 would be a better number to guide myself with.

Now if the 25bhs has a GVWR of 6500 and I keep the TT weight below that I should be fine right? I'm not looking to tow every week. I'll be usually doing weekend trips 200 miles max and once a month maybe twice a month depending on the season.
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Ok so I went to the cat scale yesterday to get a real world number. Truck came in at 4700 with wife and 2 kids. I also threw in the bed a bunch of heavy items from the garage to role play luggage or any other camping items I would throw back there instead of inside the TT. Now 4700 didn't include a weight distribution hitch and I had half a tank of gas so I would assume 4850 would be a better number to guide myself with.

Now if the 25bhs has a GVWR of 6500 and I keep the TT weight below that I should be fine right? I'm not looking to tow every week. I'll be usually doing weekend trips 200 miles max and once a month maybe twice a month depending on the season.
I don't see the GVWR of the truck to compare with your scale result? That's the critical piece of information. Compare your GVWR from your door pillar with the 4850 you got on the scale (use the higher estimate) and that will give you what the tongue of the trailer can weigh. Divide that number by .15 (conservatively assuming a 15% tongue weight) and that will give you the GVWR of the trailer you should tow given the amount of payload you have left (on paper).

Now of course, that calculation is pretty conservative; 15% tongue weight is the maximum you'll want on the tongue, and I'm saying you should use GVWR of the trailer for that, you may NEVER have the trailer loaded to max GVWR. Using maximum weights may be too conservative for your purposes, but if you can get within these numbers, you'll have far fewer weight problems.

Alternatively, you could take 6500x.15 to get 975 lbs. For a trailer with 6500 GVWR, and 15% tongue weight, 975 is the heaviest the tongue should ever be. So if your GVWR on the truck minus the scale weight is more than 975, you're GTG (on paper).
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Old 07-08-2015, 10:03 AM   #16
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Seriously plug all your numbers in the spreadsheet I linked to. Doesn't get any easier than that, and you'll know absolutely whether or not your within the manufacturers range for towing safely. Forget what others are saying w/ regards to their past experience. If you cared enough to get it weighed, plug all the numbers in and see what comes out.
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Old 07-08-2015, 10:29 AM   #17
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Forget what others are saying w/ regards to their past experience.
Really? Isn't that why we come to a forum in the first place?
There are many of us here that have all crunched the numbers bought a trailer that is well within spec of what the manufacturers ratings are and were unhappy with the towing experience and regretted buying that large of a trailer...... or used it as a good excuse to upgrade trucks.

Others past experience is the whole point of this forum

To the OP......

We need your GVWR to help further.

The highest GVWR I see is 5800lbs for a 2WD. So the most payload you can have is 950lbs. With your family onboard already that is pretty good. Payload won't be an issue as long as tongue weight is less than 950lbs which is max for the trailer you are looking at.

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Stability on the other hand..........??? I would say that is personal preference but by the numbers the combo looks sound.
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Yes, but so many tow something that they feel 'good' about but probably have no business towing. I'm not saying anybody here is doing that, but if the OP took it upon himself to weigh everything (kudos to him/her), then why not use hard data to assure you're within the tow vehicles capacities as listed by the manufacturer?

Its not like you have to make the spreadsheet up and figure it out for yourself. Just plug your numbers in.
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Ok so I went to the cat scale yesterday to get a real world number. Truck came in at 4700 with wife and 2 kids. I also threw in the bed a bunch of heavy items from the garage to role play luggage or any other camping items I would throw back there instead of inside the TT. Now 4700 didn't include a weight distribution hitch and I had half a tank of gas so I would assume 4850 would be a better number to guide myself with.
What the others are trying to say is your payload (the weight pressing down onto the axles and tires of your tow vehicle) is your limiting factor. Your trailer loaded for camping packed very conservatively will be at least 1000 lbs over dry weight without full water tanks etc. That will take you up to 5925 lbs. At 14% tongue weight, this will give you 830 lbs of tongue weight to deduct from your payload. You have not provided the payload of your Colorado (isn't readily available on internet search), but a full sized 1500 without payload package etc, has a payload of about 1400 lbs.

Everything you put into the truck you have to deduct from payload. So if you had a full sized chev, you would take the 1400lbs payload deduct 830 lbs for the tongue weight plus 100 lbs for your WD hitch less 110 lbs for wife (might be more but add some lbs elsewhere), 3X50lbs each for 2 kids and dog and 200lbs in box of truck for bbq, tools, and couple of cases of bottled water, and you would have 10 lbs of payload left. If you add a canoe or a couple of bikes or a cooler in the truck, you need to deduct the weights from payload and would put you over the payload limits on your truck.

I suspect your Colorado will have less payload than a full size Chev, but you will have to determine that. Another thing to keep in mind is that the maximum posted payload from the internet may not be the actual payload for your truck. For example Ford advertises the 3300 payload capacity of its 2015 F150's but it requires a Heavy Duty Payload package which you cannot order for 2015. The payload of your truck will depend on options that you have on it.


My Jayco delivered was 600 lbs heavier than the brochure and internet weight for the model of trailer. When my trailer is loaded, the tongue weight is 50% more than the posted tongue weight from the Jayco site.

Once you punch the numbers into the spreadsheet (Thanks for that I have it downloaded for future calculations and to pass on to camping friends) it will become clear where your payload problem arises and how much you are over.
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To the OP......

We need your GVWR to help further.
X2 - this would be very helpful. If you are uncertain of which values to post from the labels on the drivers door jam just take a picture of both of them and post those. That would show the actual payload, axle ratings and GVWR and provide details that will help fill in the blanks.
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