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Old 08-22-2013, 07:55 AM   #11
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There is a lot going on with the hitch. You say it is on the first link, which makes me think of the Reese brand hitch, so what type and brand hitch are you using? Is it a Reese? Do you have the Dual Cam sway control? If it is a Reese and you do not have the Dual Cam option I would recommend purchasing this option.

As for sway you will get a little bit no matter what you do. To ensure you have a good setup, make sure you have the TT load properly, ensure the tire pressures (TT & TV) are at the proper set points. Do not drive to fast, the TT tires are speed rated at 65 mph. I have been out in high wind, with low tire pressure and had to slow down to 55 mph, as I was all over the road, never again I always check my tire pressures.

It took me a few trips to begin to get really comfortable. The more we traveled the more comfortable I became. We started out staying close to home, and progressed further and further until we were more comfortable. Even today with everything setup correctly on the freeway, when the very large frontal area semi (not the new arrow dynamic looking ones) passes me, I feel them more than anything, I do not call it a sway just a push, just ****s me in a few inches then pushed me out the same.

It is a whole new experience pulling such a large trailer. I added on mirror extensions so I can see behind the TT, I think it really helps to see one of those big trucks coming so I am mentally prepared for it to pass. Take your time go slow, don’t be in a hurry.
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:04 AM   #12
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Thanks guys. I know I'm close to the TV and TT weights but both are new and I don't see trading them out soon. My neighbor is a ford engineer and said the vehicle was designed for hauling this weight but that the engine would be my issue. The wheel base comment makes sense though. The 9000lb rating is based on a incline dead weight tow not that I'm saying its ok to push it but I've been assured by the dealer I'm ok. He's not driving this thing around though. ;-). The WD comment is helpful as well as the sway addition. Next year ill try to look into another hitch setup I guess. Mine is rated up to 1200lb tongue weight. Maybe a visit to the dealer or my trip needs to be absent of highway driving.
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It's a husky round bar rated to 12k TT weight and 1200 TW. Dealer set it on the second chain link but I worry that this is putting too much weight in the rear of the TT. I'm just guessing at that.
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Sway bars are just friction bars.
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:44 AM   #15
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I hope you got the dealer assurance in writing.

These trailers are heavy, and I am guessing that you are over your payload for the Expedition and GVWR, and possibly the CGVWR. Using two friction sway bars is better, but there are other hitches that improve the prevention of sway.

I also suspect that your tires could be a concern. What tire pressure are you using when towing, and what does sidewall of tire state for max load?

I have towed my trailer with 1500 vehicles as well as 2500s. I have maxed my tires to 50 psi on the 1500, and run the LT tires at 60 front and 80 rear. It makes a difference.

I understand your insistance to not get rid of truck, but please make it safe for family.
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:50 AM   #16
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I bet you need MORE tongue weight.. sway is often caused by too much weight on the rear of the RV.. try moving some stuff forward and see if that helps.. cheaper to try that than start throwing parts at it.
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:52 AM   #17
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We pulled long campers with vans for 20 plus years showing dogs. Loading of the trailer is critical. We found that even though the pass through storage was eaisly filled with all the things we needed it was the wrong place to put weight. (ours was always behind the axles) Also it was critical that the trailer not be high in the front. Low in the front of the trailer and weight over the axles or forward of the axles was best. Then I discovered better hitches. No chains for me. Chain type load distribution bars allows movement, they are single purpose, that is to transfer weight to the front end of your truck. This requires additional parts for sway control. There are better designed hitches than those chain type hitches IMHO.

Measure your truck on flat ground. Measure from the top of wheel well opening to center line of tire and make a drawing with front heights and rear heights. The purpose of the bars it to bring the front of the truck back down once the rear is loaded. The rear levers the front up when the rear goes down the front comes up. The bar settings are not guess work they have an exact purpose and it can be measured.

If you can load the rear and bring the front end back down you have your bars set about right. If your rig when lashed up is not a series of angles but more of a flat line with the front of the trailer slightly low to level (but never high). you will see a difference is how it pulls.

But don't forget the loading ideas, keep weight from behind the trailer axle as much as it possible to do.
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Lots of good advice so far, but I'm intrigued with your comment that you are "new to TT's". You've got a lot of TT [length and weight] for a novice. My experience started with a medium sized pop-up, then a 28' TT and now a 33' [total length] White Hawk. In between throw in a 20' heavy runabout and a pontoon. My point is that dragging 9000 plus lbs behind anything is going to drive the pucker factor to the max if you don't have experience pulling a load. Not saying to ignore what is going on, because IMHO you are at or over the limits of your vehicle, but a lot of what you're feeling is "what you feel when you tow" a big trailer. I have to remind myself that the White Hawk is back there as it is remarkably easy to tow, but the first time I pulled it, I felt like it was in control, not me. You feel every twitch and yank. My advice is check out all your adjustments with the load, hitch, sway control, tire pressures etc; and then hit the road keeping your speed down and drive on good roads in light traffic.

PS: Forget the dealer as they are first salesmen, second salesmen, and third salesmen. Talked to a sales guy at Camping World and he told me my tow weights for my 08 silverado was higher that the owners manuel. Was trying to sell me a 5th wheel that exceeded the max tow [dry weight alone]. Most of us probably know more about the TT we bought than the dealer. When I took possession of my 14 white Hawk, the dealer had never seen one before. Talking to experienced TT owners [like on this forum] will get you a lot better advice than most of what a dealer will offer.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:13 AM   #19
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What is the receiver hitch on the expedition rated for? It needs to be at least 1200lbs tongue wt and overall wt should be at least 10,000 lbs. My 32bhds has a dry ship wt of 8,300 lbs from the factory and I am sure its close to 9,000 lbs or more . I did measure the tongue wt on mine and it is around 1200lbs. Just make sure you stay safe so you dont have any unexpected incidents on your getaways.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:20 AM   #20
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I have a 2004 Ford Expedition xlt with the 5.4 Triton and HD tow Package. I tow a 2013 Jay Flight 26BH. My dry camper weight is 5200lbs and gross is 7500. I keep the camper light. I do not tow with water in the tanks and we pack light. I am usually well under 6500 when I tow. This is the max I would pull with this vehicle. Yes, It is capable of towing more and will do fine for a short distance but I do feel that the vehicle is even a little light for my camper. We plan on doing longer trips when the kids get older. I will be upgrading to a 3/4 ton truck by then. Just my opinion.
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