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Old 08-22-2013, 10:43 AM   #21
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All good advice. Yes the hitch is rated for 1200 tongue and 12k trailer weight. I'll check the tires, that could be a big factor. I know the PSI rating is 45 lbs but you're suggesting I over inflate them on towing days? Trailer tires say 75 cold and last I looked they were at 70 sitting in the sun.

I am new to travel trailers but have hauled 21' boats, large enclosed utility trailers loaded down with sound equipment, and our old pop-up. I'm not new to towing, I'm new to towing this box. My basement is in the front under the bed. The only weight behind the trailer tandem is the bathroom and the rear BH with it's slider. I can't remove any of that stuff. I've got a few things in the tool crib in the back but not a lot of weight. My kids are small and we pack really lite in clothes. No Tele in the BH or nothing. Just bedding and clothes. The fridge is loaded but it's right over the axle. The majority of the trailer and weight is in front of the axle so I feel it's packed well.

That's good to know about the Wd setup. It looks to me to be slightly higher than level at the hitch when I'm on the second chain link. Even if I don't put the WD on, the airbags in the back bring the TT to almost level.
Safety for my family is my #1 priority and that's why I want to figure this out. I know my truck is at it's max but the fact is with 3 kids a big pickup is out of the question. I'm not making excuses, I'm just shooting at it straight. There is a lot written here that could help and I will try, so I appreciate your advice. I posted here because I've been reading your threads for 3 months now and I knew this was the place for answers. I think I need to really spend some time on the WD hitch and add that other sway. If you say that every once in awhile it's going to move a bit then that helps. It's not flying around behind me, but it is unsettling when the wheel turns in your hand. I do have mirror extensions so I know when some giant semi is going to blow by me. My favorite is when someone is flying down the on-ramp on my right when I got a semi on the left. That's when I really need a change of shorts.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:43 AM   #22
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snip......I'm not going to pretend my tow capacity and trailer weight aren't close......snip
Ken,

If you really want to know where you stand with your TV/TT combination's weights and eliminate all the guess work, plus confirm if your WDH is sized/adjusted correctly, you have to go to a CAT scale and preform a complete 3-pass weigh-in. Here is a TV/TT "how to" at the CAT scale: https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...igh-Your-tt-tv

Until you actually know how much weight your WDH is actually distributing, and where..., just adding/deleting a WDH chain link position by guessing could create more issues then resolve. If a TV's receiver is under rated for the TT's loaded weights it won't distribute enough weight properlly..... no matter how much force is applied to the receiver via the WDH.

Based on the info provided thus far..., IMO the Expedition just isn't a good match for the 32BHDS under loaded conditions, even with the proper TV receiver hitch and rated WDH. At 9,000lbs a loaded 35ft long TT should have a loaded tongue weight of 1,170lbs to 1,350lbs for effective TV handling (13% to 15% of TT loaded weight), which is subtracted from the TV's payload capacity.

Also, be careful when hearing/reading about adding/deleting a WDH chain link position, because not everybody speaks from the same reference point. Some folks reference chain links "hanging" and others chain links "under tension".... but don't clarify...., chain links "under tension" is the best way and correlates to all WDH manufacture installation instructions.

Hope this helps.

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Old 08-22-2013, 12:04 PM   #23
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We are on our 4th Expy, and IMO you are not going to arrive refreshed at the end of the day. You are right to be concerned That 37' tail can do a lot of wagging if anything at all goes awry. Go slower than you might like and drive ahead so as to avoid as much as possible needing to make sudden adjustments.

I didn't read every reply, so don't know if you have a good brake controller. You need a lot of whoa power to come to a stop. Good luck.
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I may be guilty of not readind word for word of every responce so forgive me if someone already said this. Dadof4girls I think came the closest. TIRES...TIRES...TIRES... Yes the Expidition is a bit short for a trailer of that size, but by the sounds of it, the OP is running P series tires on the TV. I would suggest to go with a LT load range E (or 10 ply) tire that can be set to 80psi safely. Is it over kill when not towing, yep but you could also set the tires back down to the vehicle manufacutres recomendation when not towing. Also, the heavier side walls of the 10 ply tires will help reduce sway some as they wont flex as much, especially when fully inflated.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:48 PM   #25
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I called the installer, he pulled my TV, TT and WDH file and he suggested i go up another notch on my WD chains, add the other sway bar and to not go above psi stamped on the tires. He agreed that with the wheelbase of the expedition there's going to be some movement at high speeds and that I am at the end of my TV to TT towing capacity but I am in the safety ratings of all involved. Wasn't trying to discredit any of the above advice, just getting all my data collected so I thought I'd share.
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Sounds like you've gotten all the input we and others can give. Last comment from here would be in reference to your situation of getting pinched between a rig merging from an on ramp with an 18 wheeler on your left. Best advice is 1] don't get in that situation by anticipating all on ramps and slowing down to avoid getting squeezed. 2] Don't get bullied, control your speed and HOLD YOUR GROUND. Its the merging driver who has to avoid you. Stay in the Right hand lane and they can speed to get in ahead of you or slow to merge in behind you. Make your decision early and like I said hold your ground.

As a habit I don't like to drive with a big rig on either side. Sure it happens, but I avoid when possible. If one pulls next to me on the left, I will slow and let him pass. If I am approaching one to my right, I control the situation and time my pass when I have plenty of room. Another trick is to avoid rush hour when multi lanes are filled with cars going every which way.

Good luck and safe traveling.
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Bassdogs advice is probably better than mine, but given the room, I will move to the left lane when someone is showing the slightest hesitation as to when and at what speed to merge. Having driven interstates for 50 years, I trust every driver to do the wrong thing! That, to me, is part of driving ahead.

And why does the OP have P tires? Those Expeditions come with LTs, usually 17 or 18" depending on the model. DW's KR came with 18s. No place for Ps IMHO.
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And why does the OP have P tires? Those Expeditions come with LTs, usually 17 or 18" depending on the model. DW's KR came with 18s. No place for Ps IMHO.
I have no idea what this means.
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I have no idea what this means.
"P" tires are passenger tires, usually inflated no more then 45lbs max and have a very limited load range. "LT" or light truck tires can be inflated to as much as 80lbs, are rated much higher in load range, have stiffer sidewalls, and are much more capable and will likely produce better towing results when towing high tongue weight trailers.
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I called the installer, he pulled my TV, TT and WDH file and he suggested i go up another notch on my WD chains,.....snip
Ken,

I'm sure your installer also mentioned not to have less then 5-chain links under tension when making the "up another notch" adjustment.., otherwise proper spring bar movement during TV turns could be compromised (spring bar tail binding at TT A-frame).

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