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Old 09-01-2013, 09:44 AM   #11
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[QUOTE=gtsum2;150861]OK, perhaps I am a bit confused then. I weighed in (full of fuel, with entire family and a few small things in the bed) at 6380..by the way, RAM specs show my laramie to be about 5555lbs...I only have a soft tonneau cover on it along with step bars...nothing else add. The trucks GVWR is 6800. Do I not only have 420lbs of payload left? Doesn't the tongue weight of any trailer add to my payload? My axles are rated at 3800lbs each (which I dont understand as both axles added together would be 7600, yet GVWR is 6800....).

It's my opinion that you have your numbers correct. You only have 420 lbs of payload left for tongue weight.

I usually use a rule of thumb that I only pull about 75% - 80% of my TV rating for added safety.


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Maybe wait until Bob checks in here...........but I'll give you what I think is my understanding.

The weight that RAM gives you is vague, does not include options such as sunroof.......anything that is added in as an option after the base model. So in your case my understanding is that the step bars for instance would not be considered in the Laramie weight as it is an "option" and not standard on the model. Same would go for a sunroof. The GVWR that comes on the spec sheet makes it look like you have a great deal of payload, but does not include passengers, etc. The axle ratings, and I am not 100% on this would be the rating for each axle not the total that both can take at the same time. So you could in theory have have 3800lbs on the rear and the max the front could take would be the GVWR minus the 3800lbs on the rear.
if you put
There are so many different GCWR out there, I have seen as little as 14,000lbs for my RAM Sport with 3.92 axle, and as much as 16,500lbs (that was on Dodge Canada and meant the max trailer was 10,050lbs) In terms of tongue weight, I read the last post and I am not 100% sure about that.

Also, I have attached the tow specs for the 2013 RAM for the Laramie direct from the RAMTrucks website, as well the link 28dsbh. It shows the dry weight being 5,700lbs with a max of 7,500lbs. So judging by that it could be easy to say that you could stay within the safe limits if you budget what you take luggage wise and drive with empty tanks.

Just my two cents.

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I did notice a big difference online between the 2012's and the 2013's and I just wonder how much heavier the new 8 speed transmission is.
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OK, perhaps I am a bit confused then. I weighed in (full of fuel, with entire family and a few small things in the bed) at 6380..by the way, RAM specs show my laramie to be about 5555lbs...I only have a soft tonneau cover on it along with step bars...nothing else add. The trucks GVWR is 6800. Do I not only have 420lbs of payload left? Doesn't the tongue weight of any trailer add to my payload? My axles are rated at 3800lbs each (which I dont understand as both axles added together would be 7600, yet GVWR is 6800....).

My CGVWR is 14k according to Ram...I understand taking 14k - 6380 = 7620lbs left for trailer weight, but a loaded, ready to camp trailer weighing in at say 7000lbs (which is what I would guess a 28dsbh to come in at for us) = 910 - 1050lbs of tongue weight...if my payload is over by that much, it really doesnt matter if I am ok on the GCVWR does it? Or am I missing something obvious????
You are 100% correct in your calculation.

You certainly have a nice truck however Dodge, maybe more than the other guys, really has built their 1/2 tons for the majority of folks who don't use their truck as a truck. It's for the guy who wants to make the occasional trip to the hardware store or garden center...it's not for guy who really needs the hauling/towing capacity.
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OK, perhaps I am a bit confused then. I weighed in (full of fuel, with entire family and a few small things in the bed) at 6380..by the way, RAM specs show my laramie to be about 5555lbs...I only have a soft tonneau cover on it along with step bars...nothing else add. The trucks GVWR is 6800. Do I not only have 420lbs of payload left? Doesn't the tongue weight of any trailer add to my payload? My axles are rated at 3800lbs each (which I dont understand as both axles added together would be 7600, yet GVWR is 6800....).

It's my opinion that you have your numbers correct. You only have 420 lbs of payload left for tongue weight.

I usually use a rule of thumb that I only pull about 75% - 80% of my TV rating for added safety.


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That is what I was thinking too. I dont want to get real close to the limits as we will be camping in the mountains of west va/va...not the rockies certainly, but nevertheless, there are some good grades to traverse

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Maybe wait until Bob checks in here...........but I'll give you what I think is my understanding.

The weight that RAM gives you is vague, does not include options such as sunroof.......anything that is added in as an option after the base model. So in your case my understanding is that the step bars for instance would not be considered in the Laramie weight as it is an "option" and not standard on the model. Same would go for a sunroof. The GVWR that comes on the spec sheet makes it look like you have a great deal of payload, but does not include passengers, etc. The axle ratings, and I am not 100% on this would be the rating for each axle not the total that both can take at the same time. So you could in theory have have 3800lbs on the rear and the max the front could take would be the GVWR minus the 3800lbs on the rear.
if you put
There are so many different GCWR out there, I have seen as little as 14,000lbs for my RAM Sport with 3.92 axle, and as much as 16,500lbs (that was on Dodge Canada and meant the max trailer was 10,050lbs) In terms of tongue weight, I read the last post and I am not 100% sure about that.

Also, I have attached the tow specs for the 2013 RAM for the Laramie direct from the RAMTrucks website, as well the link 28dsbh. It shows the dry weight being 5,700lbs with a max of 7,500lbs. So judging by that it could be easy to say that you could stay within the safe limits if you budget what you take luggage wise and drive with empty tanks.

Just my two cents.

http://www.generalrv.com/inventory/2...wk-28DSBH.aspx
I think you are right..the sunroof and steps certainly add to the weight that would not likely be reflected on the website.

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I did notice a big difference online between the 2012's and the 2013's and I just wonder how much heavier the new 8 speed transmission is.
my 2013 has the 6 speed tranny, so should be no difference in my situation

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You are 100% correct in your calculation.

You certainly have a nice truck however Dodge, maybe more than the other guys, really has built their 1/2 tons for the majority of folks who don't use their truck as a truck. It's for the guy who wants to make the occasional trip to the hardware store or garden center...it's not for guy who really needs the hauling/towing capacity.
This is what I am thinking also. When I bought it in March, it was done quickly..I wanted a new ride, and needed something to pull atv's to west va...I did not think it through with regards to camping, etc. We have 2 small boys and would like a bunkhouse model, so our options are limited (for what we want). I even noticed on the 3/4 ton specs...dodge's 3/4 ton trucks have far, far lower payload capacity than f250's (like 1000lbs less). I looked at the wife's minivan today..her sticker payload capacity is 300lbs MORE than the sticker on my truck!!???!!!!?? Looked at the neigbor's Honda Pilot also....it is 250lbs MORE than my truck!!!!????!?!?! It is my fault for not knowing this before I bought it, but it seems to be sham...Ram trucks can tow 10000lbs (8600 is my rating with the 3.55 gears).....I guess you need a boat or flat trailer with minimal tongue weight, because they certainly dont seem to be able to handle much payload

After looking at other trailers and fifth wheels, I gotta say the fifth wheels are looking better and better...they seem to be much more solidly built...more roomy, nicer all around..of course the price is higher as well as the weight, but if I need to get a different truck anyways (if my numbers above are indeed correct), then I just as well look at fifth's too.
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Shouldn't you be looking at the GCWR rather than the GVWR?
Answer: Yes
Respectfully and unfortunately I have to disagree..., one's specified TV GVWR always trumps GCWR, but that's not to say that GCWR should be ignored. In other words, one can't borrow weight from the GCWR to increase a TV's specified GVWR (ie; TV brakes, etc., designed to handle up to the GVWR).

The published Tow Ratings and Payload Capacities are based on the Curb Weight of the base vehicle model in question..., which means it included only a 150lb driver and all fluids full (including fuel). So the combined weights of the vehicle's options, passengers, and cargo must be subtracted from the published Tow Ratings and Payload Capacities. With some vehicles going with 20" rims/tires can also reduce up to 500lbs from published Tow Ratings/Payload Capacities.

Curb Weight & Tow Ratings: https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...uot-Tow-Rating

Member "gtsum2" is correct, his TV has only 420lbs remaining for the weight of the WDH, the TT's loaded tongue weight, or any other TV weight not accounted for at the time of the CAT scale weigh-in.

As a side note..., when a WDH is adjusted correctly it will transfer some weight (approximately 10%-20% of the loaded tongue weight value) back to the TT axles, thus reducing the impact against a TV's GVWR......., not enough to help "gtsum2".

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snip......Do I not only have 420lbs of payload left? Doesn't the tongue weight of any trailer add to my payload? My axles are rated at 3800lbs each (which I dont understand as both axles added together would be 7600, yet GVWR is 6800....).....snip
Your correct, only 420lbs of payload capacity remaining. The TT's loaded tongue weight is "subtracted" from a TV's payload (remaining) capacity.

TV F/R axle weight limits can be looked at independent from each other.., meaning that one axle can weigh up to it's specified limit but the actual "combined" F/R axle weights can't exceed the TV's GVWR.

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snip...... it really doesnt matter if I am ok on the GCVWR does it? Or am I missing something obvious????
Unfortunately GVWR trumps GCVWR..., reference my prior post.

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Thank you folks for the verification of my numbers. I was shocked to put it bluntly...I mean, the numbers are not even close. Clubhouse hit it on the head above...apparently Ram 1/2 ton trucks are grocery getters and hardware store runners. This will be an expensive lesson (trading in a new truck with 8k miles on it), but I would rather take the hit and move to a 3/4 ton diesel and a fiver (or larger trailer). I am not too impressed with Ram 3/4 ton numbers either....looks like F250 King Ranch it might be (love the duramax, but interior just doesnt do much for me, and this is my daily driver, so I have to be comfy!)

Rustic Eagle - thank you for the clarification. I have seen you posting here helping others before and was hoping you might chime in
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Decided to hit the Cat scale before going to the dealer to (hopefully) pick out our camper.....I was so shocked at what the CAT scale said, we came home from the RV dealer with nothing! 2013 Ram Laramie Crew Cab 4x4. Me, wife, and 2 year old and 6 year old sons.....6380lbs....3580 steer and 2800 drive!!!! Seeing as how the truck only has a GVW of 6800lbs, apparently I cant tow anything larger than a lawn mower trailer
Curious - did you take more than one weigh?.....and if so, did you measure the entire weight of the TV on a single scale?
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Curious - did you take more than one weigh?.....and if so, did you measure the entire weight of the TV on a single scale?
no, only did one weigh. I had the axles on separate pads. The weight was so high, I actually thought about weighing it again, but at the same time I was so disgusted with the readout, I just wanted to leave
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